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Quote: MP "Also the trust are just handing over money donated with no specification of where it will be spent which is also worrying.'"


When the question was asked if the money was just going to be handed over with the club deciding what to do with it or if the Trust could specify what they wanted it to be used for I thought Mark Moore and the trust guys said that was the very question they were having among themselves and a meeting was going to be held with the board regarding it?

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The handing over of money is just like when Bradford raised half a million and handed it over. It went into a black hole and the club still went bust. People have short memories.

The situation is dire at best. Any money that goes into the club right now is likely to go straight to HMRC, and may still not be enough to save it. Meanwhile the staff and players haven't been paid fully. Why is this? has money been withheld to pay HMRC? Meaning gate receipts and other income sunday can go to paying the wages?

If you don't pay people on time, it's the beginning of the end. There are some incredibly loyal and long serving staff members, but loyalty isn't going to put food on their tables or pay their bills.

Needing £200k + to see the year out before even looking at next year sounds impossible. We have 2 home games left. So very limited income beyond this. Season tickets sales will be minimal because who is going to buy one in the current situation? Likewise sponsorship income isn't going to exist because other than the loyalist of fans who are in a position to sponsor through their businesses. Who is going to put money into sponsoring a club that may not make it to the end of the year?

I admit i'm not being very optimistic, but what is there to be optimistic about?

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Quote: Brew "The handing over of money is just like when Bradford raised half a million and handed it over. It went into a black hole and the club still went bust. People have short memories.

The situation is dire at best. Any money that goes into the club right now is likely to go straight to HMRC, and may still not be enough to save it. Meanwhile the staff and players haven't been paid fully. Why is this? has money been withheld to pay HMRC? Meaning gate receipts and other income sunday can go to paying the wages?

If you don't pay people on time, it's the beginning of the end. There are some incredibly loyal and long serving staff members, but loyalty isn't going to put food on their tables or pay their bills.

Needing £200k + to see the year out before even looking at next year sounds impossible. We have 2 home games left. So very limited income beyond this. Season tickets sales will be minimal because who is going to buy one in the current situation? Likewise sponsorship income isn't going to exist because other than the loyalist of fans who are in a position to sponsor through their businesses. Who is going to put money into sponsoring a club that may not make it to the end of the year?

I admit i'm not being very optimistic, but what is there to be optimistic about?'"


This.

The way I see it is if we donate money to the club in the current state we are giving a vote of confidence to the people who are currently running the club. The reality is given the state they have got it in to they should be nowhere near our club. From what they have said there is a 900k shortfall this season, 700k from them(Personally think this will turn out to be another lie) and this 200k they are trying to raise to make the end of the season. What happens next season? What happened to all the promises? Hey at least they had a good day out at Wembley.

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Quote: Brew "The handing over of money is just like when Bradford raised half a million and handed it over. It went into a black hole and the club still went bust. People have short memories.
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Massive risk of the money donated either being misused or not being enough and just lost.

But to say other people who decide to donate have short memories is neither true or showing any respect to them, most if not everyone is very much aware of what happened to Bradford, their not stupid even if it turns out in the end to be a stupid thing to do.

As before these very same concerns are being expressed by multiple people across all of social media and everywhere else even with Bradford supporters speaking about it on our web sites.

Included in those who are aware of it not just on here are Mark Moore and those of the Trust who will be handing it over.

It's down to each individual to decided to donate or not and if they do then at the moment the best way seems to be to trust the Trust and through them.

As to the future if there is one, LK admits he's only in his role as a stop gap until a replacement comes forward and if the club could be saved the less debt remaining the more chance there could be of getting someone new in and the old out.

If not and we're dead then we're dead.[/i

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As a victim of the "buy a brick" for £250 in the Blue Sox SL era when we were skint (I'm still awaiting my engraved brick to be proudly displayed in the South Stand) I hope I can be forgiven to be very wary of "new" promises which follow on from "failed" promises.

The 2 separate statements do appear to have some contradictions.

For example, the 1st statement included: "we have a solid plan for next year that reflects our current circumstances." .... which I understand as saying we'll have to cut our cloth with a weaker playing squad.

But then we had this in the 2nd statement: "We have comprehensive plans in place to ensure Halifax Panthers remains sustainable and competitive. This includes developing partnerships with local businesses, growing our supporter base ...."

How can the club expect to be competitive AND grow the supporter base with a weaker squad? It all just doesn't add up.

And how are we getting to Toulouse next week? By a dinghy? Why the hell we have a French team in our League beggars belief anyway. But that's another point of discussion.

Spoke to a couple of fellow Fax fans who are "quite annoyed" with the BOD so will be interesting what the general take is like at tomorrow's match and if the BOD do have the undying support of the fans.

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Who’s actually left of the original consortium Board because several have gone so any support I give now can’t be for them if there not hear.

Nor has it been to any previous or future ( in my dreams BoD ) it’s the club that’s been a big part of my life and not someone in a suit and no one in a suit is going to stop me supporting it as long as it’s here.

I don’t give diddly squat what anyone else thinks that amounts to.

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Quote: faxcar "Who’s actually left of the original consortium Board because several have gone so any support I give now can’t be for them if there not hear.

Nor has it been to any previous or future ( in my dreams BoD ) it’s the club that’s been a big part of my life and not someone in a suit and no one in a suit is going to stop me supporting it as long as it’s here.

I don’t give diddly squat what anyone else thinks that amounts to.'"


Original BOD still left:

Mark Bannister
Ian Uttley


Resigned since Oct 2022:

Richard Durgan
David Grayson
Craig Wright

Stephen Lambert rejoined and left during the new regime. Lee Kenny joined last April.

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Quote: Tony Fax "Original BOD still left

Acknowledging it’s only an opinion but any deeper idea of the reputation or competence of those left because I never take notice of any of them to be honest and based on that poor perspective would prefer a completely new group in, if we survive that is.

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The request for £200000 is at best disingenuous. There is no clarity on why the demand has become so sudden or the reason HMRC are playing hardball (I was told it was because they paid their debt but then immediately stopped paying…if true madness).

There is also no clarity on the total debt size and who owed to.

Anyone or any group who donate money to the club should get clarity on this.

As I said before when Posner bailed out the club, twice, he and Michael Steel gave detailed presentations on the income/expenditure and debts we need this now. (I assume Posner is not around to sort this for a third time!)

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Quote: faxcar "Acknowledging it’s only an opinion but any deeper idea of the reputation or competence of those left because I never take notice of any of them to be honest and based on that poor perspective would prefer a completely new group in, if we survive that is.'"


Marke Bannister was on the BOD of Eclipse until he resigned this year. Craig Uttley resigned from Stagefreight this year. Lee Kenny has several other directorships, don't recognise any of the companies.

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Quote: Tony Fax "Marke Bannister was on the BOD of Eclipse until he resigned this year. Craig Uttley resigned from Stagefreight this year. Lee Kenny has several other directorships, don't recognise any of the companies.'"

Have the worst of them gone then or are the ones still here all of the same in terms of trustworthiness?

I wouldn’t be too upset about the “Buy a Brick” initiative can’t see mine anymore and the last time I did a seagull had dumped on it, maybe a omen of things to come. icon_lol.gif

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Edit: Forget all that, someone was pulling Terry's leg. icon_lol.gif

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This is rubbish news and I know you'll all be feeling pretty down about it. In my view you have to be slightly unhinged to enjoy another RL club (even your local rival) going through this. Best of luck to Fax and the fans.

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Not privy to much information on this particular scenario and with infighting and rumour plaguing social media it’s difficult to know what to believe . I can’t believe that savvy businessmen have allowed us to get into this mess as supposed custodians of the club . Something feels off to me , call it gut instinct but it all feels manufactured . My trust is definitely being tested , undecided as to whether we are all being fed a false narrative and these call for funds are being used for other things or these custodians really played stupid games with the taxman .

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Quote: faxcar "When the question was asked if the money was just going to be handed over with the club deciding what to do with it or if the Trust could specify what they wanted it to be used for I thought Mark Moore and the trust guys said that was the very question they were having among themselves and a meeting was going to be held with the board regarding it?'"


I’m not aware of how that meeting went but obviously it was a while ago as Mark Moore hasn’t been involved with the club since October 2017 when he resigned as a director.

I’m only going by what the trust replied to my post with.

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