Although the manner of the defeat was questionable and we most certainly could have controlled aspects of the game much better ie ruck speed and penalties again, when you breakdown that Toronto team, we are talking about truly class players who have played at an elite level for considerable time; Leutele (NRL winner, 100 + games and tries for Cronulla), McCrone (150+ NRL games), Wilkin (International, countless winners medals, 400+ games in super league), Sims (200+ NRL games, Grand Finalist), Lussick (120+ NRL games). Not to mention McDermott as coach. I think Rawsthrone is absolute class. He's so strong with the ball, got great hands and makes things happen. I think he's probably overlooked in that Toronto team. It reminded me at times yesterday when we played the likes of Canberra and Canterbury in the 97 world club challenge; just pure exhibition stuff. I think unfortunately we were playing them at our lowest ebb in years. When sky had up the stats at the end of the first half; same completion rate but 16 points behind. We need to really do a number on Hunslet and Rochdale before the Bradford and Toulouse game.

Only Barrow and Swinton now with worst defences than us this season. What happened there then? It seems anytime Marshall brings in more than 1 or 2 players the team performances dip. Would it be fair to question his man management skills?

After last week I said there was no way Barber should keep his place and after this week theres no way Fleming should keep his place. The young lads at the club must watch some of these performances and wonder how the hell the senior players get away with them and keep their places.

Toronto, class side full of class players ect with 000000's spent on the team yes but apart from Rochdale, Fax was the worst performance of the season against them.

Toronto looked about two stone a man lighter and a yard and a half quicker.
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What happened to our comical DR tie up again yesterday ?

Except our Coach

Well, I'll miss my trips to tShay if you go down.

Things are nowhere near that bad! I think we will finish at least mid-table and I still think we will come good at some point. I just hope it is sooner rather than later.

Jonno injured and out for the season.... Hes certainly not the answer to the halves issue but still better than White...

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