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Quote: faxcar "For the maybe / possibly department.

The Keyes could be couldn’t he, maybe just all part of a cunning plan to keep Batley guessing and having to double up on their prep.'"

Nowt up with that....except you've just given the game away!

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I would play the same team as Sunday but swap fairbank for larroyer and McComb for crooks . I would start with Moore and bring obrien and lannon on when when Batleys pack start to slow . Keyes , sutcliffe will play the following weeks in equally important games against London and Widnes , Toulouse ,etc .

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Quote: terry silver "I do like your ruthless side and you are right there is no place for being nice when it comes to team selection. I would be interested to know how we would use Sutcliffe if we was to drop a middle to have him in the team.'"

Straight swap for Larroyer off the bench. He'd shore the defence up late on and wouldn't give daft penalties away.

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Quote: Ilkley Fax "I have to disagree about Sutcliffe - if a player who's played for Fax for years and has helped us to get to the final gets replaced by a player with one game on loan then don't think that would do a lot for team moral. A few players surprised me on Sunday in what was our best performance of the season, and did enough to support making only minimal changes to rhe team on Saturday - even if the "talismanic" Keyes was fit - which he won't be. Even though I think Inman will be great for us in future, I'd play Brandon but start with O'brien as Moore was much more effective coming of the bench. Fairbank for Larroyer and McComb for Crooks would be my only changes.'"


That would be the way to go for me, Sutcliffe is a decent player but it’s not like he’s Sonny Bill Williams in his prime.

On the other hand since were speculating, if I were being ruthless and behind the scenes we’ve signed him up for next year and who ever he displaced wasn’t going to be retained then maybe.

On who starts between Moore and O’Brien Grix started with Moore on Sunday because he’s fairly solid and brought O’Brien and Lannon on to rip into what he judged would be Fev’s bigger tiring pack.

He knew that’s what we would be up against in any case and thought that was the best option and they both had stand out performances in A&D.

Interesting to see if he goes down the same route this week.

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Loving the hypocrisy of some.:



Unfortunately I was away on holiday this year when Town got there. Had we not have got there 6 or so years earlier then Id have cancelled the holiday.

There is an element of the result not really mattering. Just getting there is a huge prize in itself; to see YOUR club play under the arch. But obviously coming away with the cup adds a massive bonus on top. To all those going to Wembely, enjoy it. It will be a special day.

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Quote: Bubba "Unfortunately I was away on holiday this year when Town got there. Had we not have got there 6 or so years earlier then Id have cancelled the holiday.

There is an element of the result not really mattering. Just getting there is a huge prize in itself; to see YOUR club play under the arch. But obviously coming away with the cup adds a massive bonus on top. To all those going to Wembely, enjoy it. It will be a special day.'"

Yes, I can go down on Saturday and if we don't win i won't be sickened like
after most losses. It's not like it's the CC Final after all. Don't get me wrong, i really want to see Fax win but getting to Wembley, albeit by this route, is the big thing for our club at this time. There are bigger finals ahead to aim for. Because of this i am sure i'll be able to relax and take in the game. All this said i do think we will take the spoils by a couple of scores and can't wait for the weekend. Enjoy. Up The Fax!

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Quote: Hudd-Shay "Nowt up with that....except you've just given the game away!'"

Craig Lingard was asked about the possibility of Keyes playing which he acknowledged and linked his absence to the problems Fax had been having in that area, but what does he know. icon_lol.gif

Many of us apparently overrate Keyes anyway in spite of the fact he was both players player and supporters player of the year in 2022 with the top tackler of the year being Brandon Moore despite his apparent lack of sizeicon_exclaim.gif

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Quote: faxcar "Craig Lingard was asked about the possibility of Keyes playing which he acknowledged and linked his absence to the problems Fax had been having in that area, but what does he know.
Keyes has been/is a great player and one that Fax can rebuild the team around over the next few years. Moore has been fantastic for fax, but with Tom Inman here i don't know where that leaves Brandon. If he does stay the first thing I would do is take the captain's armband away from him. He's not been the same player since he became the leader and might just have a new lease of life without that responsibility.

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Quote: Hudd-Shay "i don't know where that leaves Brandon. If he does stay the first thing I would do is take the captain's armband away from him. He's not been the same player since he became the leader and might just have a new lease of life without that responsibility.'"


Does being a captain really carry so much responsibility? Their "official" duty seems to be able to question a referee's decision, but as far as trying to motivate his teammates, any player can do a bit of clapping and shouting. It's not like being a cricket captain, for example, which actually involves making on-field tactical decisions.

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Confirmed by the club.
The 2023 AB Sundecks 1895 Cup Final between Batley Bulldogs and Halifax Panthers will be shown live, exclusive and completely free on the Our League web and app. (As has been rumoured, the game WILL NOT be shown on BBC Iplayer.

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Quote: faxcar "Craig Lingard was asked about the possibility of Keyes playing which he acknowledged and linked his absence to the problems Fax had been having in that area, but what does he know.
Who on here overrates/underrates Keyes? I don't think anyone has even said that losing Keyes didn't disrupt the team but what people have said is that we were not playing great before he got injured, he himself was not in great form, and him coming back won't be a magic solve everything fix. If you want to twist that in to everyone says that Keyes is rubbish then feel free but people are going to disagree.

As for Moore like has been said he has been a great player for us but the last couple of seasons we have seen a drop off in his performance. I know you made a big deal about him making 50 tackles a game, any decent hooker given minutes on the pitch will do that, they are in the middle of the park and they are most of the time the most mobile forward so its not exactly rocket science that they are going to make at least 1 or 2 tackles per set. What has always let Moore down, and there have been a lot of posts on this, is his distribution and you can see a big difference when Inman and AOB are on the field. I also don't think Grix using him like a mule to have him on the pitch for those extra minutes in the back row has helped Moore at all and to me he looks a shadow of his former self and looks worn down.

Could probably add more to the Moore thing because of the Inman and AOB dilema that Grix must have not to mention Moore been the captain. Its pretty obvious to anyone that Fairbank is our leader so the Moore choice was a little strange but just because a player isn't the most vocal on the team does not mean he can't be a good captain. The great thing that Inman offers is that when he is on we can move the ball so quick but then you do lose a tackler in the middle of the field and I agree with faxcar in that when our middles have been soft we really can't afford a weak tackler on the field in the middle. Then you have AOB who is an 80 minute hooker and on a different level to either of the other two and you can see when he is not on the field the whole team performance drops.

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Quote: Hudd-Shay "Keyes has been/is a great player and one that Fax can rebuild the team around over the next few years. Moore has been fantastic for fax, but with Tom Inman here i don't know where that leaves Brandon. If he does stay the first thing I would do is take the captain's armband away from him. He's not been the same player since he became the leader and might just have a new lease of life without that responsibility.'"

Looking at the facts Joe’s ability and value to the team can’t be seriously questioned.

The concern is his history with injuries, several commentators all said they were surprised for the most part he avoided them last season.

Building a team around him when he’s the organiser and having a large part in your plays when he’s missing from the spine has a big impact as can be seen at every level when other teams halves are out but how can a part time team with no reserves keep 3 decent half backs happy and playing when there all fit?

It’s still an if whether O’Brien stays but if he does and is fit then that leaves both Brandon and Tom to fight it out and since Adam’s arrival Moore has upped his game.

The point I was making, if it’s Brandon who becomes third choice it won’t be because of either a weakness in goal line defence or anywhere else on the pitch, there are plenty of valid arguments for Tom without having to make one up.

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I think Keyes is an excellent player, I've never slagged him off, but I do think his absence is being over exaggerated. We appeared to cope without him against fev, for example.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "Who on here overrates/underrates Keyes? I don't think anyone has even said that losing Keyes didn't disrupt the team but what people have said is that we were not playing great before he got injured, he himself was not in great form, and him coming back won't be a magic solve everything fix. If you want to twist that in to everyone says that Keyes is rubbish then feel free but people are going to disagree.

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Finn knows more about this than any other candidate and can come in and take it forward without going backwards whilst being allowed to use his own methods.
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Quote: faxcar "A lot......'"


Sorry that was a very difficult read, so the point you were trying to make is probably lost in there somewhere. Am I right?I'm......(Sorry Tony) icon_biggrin.gif

Good news though both Keyes and Sutcliffe included so what we think? Does either or both play and who misses out? If keyes plays then one of Jouffret, JWH, Pickersgill, or Moore misses out. If Sutcliffe plays then you would think one of Larroyer or McComb misses out. We are looking pretty close to full strength for this game and the business end so Grix has some big decisions to make.

Edit: Im presuming that Dan Fleming will also miss out. His reduced playing time Sunday was a little suspicious.

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