Mr Jagger, if you think that because you attended the game that means only you and those that were there can comment on how our club is performing then I think you are grossly mistaken.

In the same way that one swallow doesn't make a summer, one loss does not make us a bad side. Consider the following, Sheffield are fairly settled, well coached, it's one game, at an unusual venue, it's early season, and we have some new players in key positions that will only get better and help us improve as a side, and finally you are for want of more succinct and concise words, getting slightly boring and negative with your method of support and continuous tripe.

Having watched Fax for over 30 years, travelled up and down England's green and once more pleasant land, to chimney stacked mill towns, through harsh Cumbrian rain, the theatre of dreams that is old Trafford, a stones through from the Tyne, Wembley Way, and the sun soaked beauty of the South of France. I have to say anyone who thinks the club is not competitive or realistic is barking mad.

Have you considered many of our part time players do not work 9-5, teachers get holidays I can only dream of, it's mainly a summer game, Windows Cleaners don't have to clock in or be at number 8 by 9am sharp, many employers now embrace flexible working, these lads have known nothing but continuing on with life with Rugby as something they love and fit in and work around.

Do you really think the club thinks the way into SL is to do it half baked? The club is quite rightly building slowly and surely, improving year on year in ways you don't always see between 3-5 on Sunday's.

I happen to trust the board, and I happen to believe in Richard Marshall, and I have faith in the players. In your opinions, I do not, but I respect they are yours, and we live in a country where you can express them. We will be full time one day I hope, maybe next year, but that doesn't mean these lads can't achieve something special. 3 of sheffields star men are all the wrong side of 30, a lot of our lads have bright futures. Let's see where we are going forward and stop writing off this group of players, from what I've seen over the years, these are an absolutely cracking set of lads, brilliantly coached and guided and supported very sensibly by a club that has learnt the hard way to make sure the foundations are solid, and not a set of post dated cheques reliant on success.

Get behind the Club. UTFAX

I have to say what an excellent post. It mirrors my support over the years and my feelings entirely.
Superb.

Although it's very early, that is the post of the season so far!!
Well said that man!!!

Also I think it's good to remember our not too distant past and that of the game.

Up until last season there was no pathway to anywhere and being stuck in the Championship was hardly the environment to prepare for something that didn't even exist at the time.

We went with KH and had a lot of faith and hope it would be good for the club and everyone involved, as we now know it didn't work out and cost us another 3 years where we went backwards.

During that time we lost many of our x factor players such as Royston, Black, Penky that would have people coming to watch them play, that along with the type of rugby being dished out cost us several hundred regular supporters.

At the same time we had one recent season that was described as the "perfect storm" concerning income when we went out early in the challenge cup and lost at Dewsbury and failed to progress to the knock out stages of the Nothern Rail Cup.

The lost crowds, and losing early in the above comps were unexpected and our finances took a hard hit, I believe the BOD and one person in particular put £100,000 out of there own pockets just to steady the ship so we could trade on a daily basis without being strangled.

Last seasons good finish was the first time in years when we had some money come into the club and we can just suddenly go full time, get all the infra structure in place etc on the back of it!!

Im not Peter Pan , I have watched Fax at Thrum Hall ,everyone has an opinion and a right to voice that opinion,I agree about the lads doing day jobs that's why I feel strongly about going full time,I'm RM we have a good Coach but a Master Joiner can't build a Table with a pair of scissors and a knife and fork , Richard needs the tools ,plenty were giving Mr Aston some stick before the game , but he showed us how to play ,in Andy Bracek we have a first class forward who must play every week, cmon boys the Haven game has blinded some of you, we must improve , the Jaggers will be at Derwent Park next week , cheering the boys on , but if they don't perform don't expect me to praise them.

Enjoy your trip to Cumbria, let's hope for a solid fax win.
Bear in mind also this is a public forum and talking nonsense dialect and bagging the board and coach, who are actually the best we have had in years, may not be the best way to entice new fans to the club and support the club you love. More fans are needed first and more good press from the media, club and very importantly 'us fans'.
Spreading a message like yours says don't bother because we're not full time and can't compete. Not true, there's also more than one way to skin a cat, in years to come people might praise Faxs model of sustainable growth.

Sorry Terry, have to agree.

We always look forward to our Cumbria trips,as for talking nonsense?Again that is a matter of opinion ,one man's nonsense is another man's wisdom,being an older native of Yorkshire I do sometimes tend to slip into my natural dialect,it may not be the Queens English but it's something I have done and spoken for many years now,in my line of work ,I'm a bread delivery man ,you meet many many older citizens who tend to speak this way and are proud of their Yorkshire Heritage.
As far as Bagging the Board, Coach, and Team ?I feel I'm entitled to voice my opinion as long as I'm not offensive , or insulting,some had opinions on the Dual Reg last season,I had mine , this year some have opinions on full or time Contracts again I have mine, some have opinions on the make up and contents of the starting 17 players each week, again I have mine.I'm also ready to applaud and encourage any ideas to attract new spectators to the Shay, my own wife and Brother being converts.
I do hope this post has given you some views into my thoughts, philosophies in life, and opinions,do you can understand how I love and cherish my Team as we all indeed do on this Forum,thank you.Terence.

Terry, I'm sure your a gradely family man, but is speaking ye olde Lancastrian dialect and passing it off as Yorkshire heritage really necessary.
I hope you have smashing day.

No one will agree all the time on everything Tezzer except the right to have an opinion and say what it is in an none offensive way.

For example I don't agree that RM has been found out by other coaches or is blinded by his own publicity.

I don't agree that we have a team largely made up of players who are not good enough.

I don't agree that BOD are denying or holding back giving RM the tools to do the job at hand.

I do agree that there is a danger of falling away from the full time clubs and other rival part timers and it comes back to how much they improve and how much Fax can be improved as a part time club and how high Fax have to finish in the Championship and middle eights with the associated funding to still be in a position to go full time.

On the other hand going full time isn't without risk as well.
To do so costs a lot of money and still guarantees nothing in return like London achieved or didn't achieve last season.

Leigh have chosen to go down that route and put most if not all their eggs in one basket, they are relying on one man and one team, there's only DB with no reserve side and if that fails what then.

Another danger comes from within the game itself and it threatens the amount of time being given the Championship clubs to get into SL.

Already there are several people saying that for the middle eights to work a Championship club will need to be promoted to SL this year and if they fail then it may has well be abandoned because it's not working.

One of them is Ian Lenagan of Wigan, he opposed it from the start and still does.

Others like him think only of what's good for their clubs, they don't view the Championship clubs as a playing field threat they just want all the central funding for themselves, if they got the chance SL would be down to 10 clubs with those there getting all the money.

One Wigan supporter told me on their forum that Wigan are one of the " Top Dogs" and the likes of Halifax were nothing more than a flea on their backs, we have seen the "our chairman right or wrong" mentality many times when it comes to the terraces and the family game motto goes out of the window.
Ironically if the British clubs get stuffed in the world club challenge comp again in a couple of weeks I wonder if they will want to cancel that because it's not working.

The point is if the plug gets pulled in the next couple of years as they would like then we won't have time to get things in place to go full time.

Some really good debate on here and shows how passionate we all are about the club and the game itself.
To put in context though we have lost one game against a team that always seem to do us at theirs and will be up there at the end of the season.
We are building something special here and this side and set up reminds me of our mid 80's efforts -no Superstars but a fantastic team spirit and well coached. This time the BOD have got it right as well by us living within our means so let's not panic here.
Don't forget we also have not blown all the money we won last year and if things don't work out we have options to bring players in-something I have a sneaking feeling we may well do if we get to the middle 8's(aka the SL clubs did last year to ensure Sl survival)
Keep the faith and give your team your support even more when they lose- not just when they win.
Long way to the end of the season and there will be loads more twists and turns yet.

I've said all along that it's not whether someone can be promoted, it's whether someone is promoted that matters.

Leigh must be kicking themselves - they could have been playing in $uperleague last year under the old system.

Now they're playing to get in the middle eights to give them a chance of winning promotion.

As usual Jagger talking nonsense.

1) Going FT does not mean we will be anywhere nearer to SL than being PT. Leigh and Bradford are FT and we beat them both in the 8s with a PT team! And neither went in to SL and are paying out far more than we are. Realistically we are not ready for SL on and off the pitch. The Coach and the Club have admitted that if you bother to read statements made by the club.

2) By going FT we would no doubt see a number of our experienced and quality players leave. We would have to rebuild and risk throwing money away on SL rejects and inexperienced players. Sheffield have a good 17 or 18 players, but they have a lack of strength in depth. If they lose three or four players they will struggle. They will rely on inexperienced kids that have played few first team games at either SL or Championship level. Thats a huge risk when paying out FT wages. We would be in a similar position. And realistically I cant see Sheffield getting into SL soon with that squad.

3) Funny, that last year, they were good enough to easily beat Leigh and Bradford in the 8s and also matched Hull KR and Widnes, for long periods as well. All of a sudden they are not good enough. The new players have hardly been at the club 2 minutes and some not seen action yet, but you think they are not good enough! You need to wake up and stop being so negative. Its clear you have no idea when you post such drivel. Fax bossed the first half and should have been 18+ points up. We failed to take our chances. Sheffield scored of an early chance and we lost our heads and concentration. Sheffield took advantage. The score is not a true reflection of the game over 80 Minutes, but that happens sometimes. We have one bad game and you think we are crap and the coach is not good enough etc. You may have gone Friday, but the rubbish you have posted you might as well not go again. I believe that Marshall is a quality coach, but one that is still learning as this is his first job at this level. He will make mistakes, but then so does Craig Bellamy and Wayne Bennett! I see no indication that RM will be worked out and as he said once that happens then he will change his tactics. The players are very good players at this level and most have shown that, either when playing for us or opponents. But players sometimes suffer loss of form, have issues in life that see them struggle at certain times, do not settle etc. That doesnt make them become rubbish players. If Richard Marshall feels a player is not good enough or is not right for the club than he said he will make changes including looking at bringing a youngster in-hence why he wanted a reserves and not waste money on just a first team squad or look to bring a player in from elsewhere.

4)We are 2 games in to the season, with everything to play for. I have seen many positives so far. But its clear, there are a number of things we need to work on. But thats expected. Being FT will not mean we will finish in the top 4.And being PT, does not mean we will not make the top 4. This season will see shocks and unexpected results. We and others, like Leigh, have no right to win games. Our mistakes will be punished. We need to be more clinical. We could have easily won that game on Friday, IF we had took our chances. Then we would be singing praises. We should be getting behind the club and team- no matter what. The club and team have made tremendous progress on and off the field in the past couple of years. Lets be positive instead of posting insane negative rubbish based on nothing.