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| Quote: swifty62 "my idea of the bonus point coming off the winners three points leaving them with two would keep both teams playing until the final second.'"
Same points for a narrow win as for a draw, then.  Controversial. |
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| Quote: swifty62 "my idea of the bonus point coming off the winners three points leaving them with two would keep both teams playing until the final second.'"
I've said that from the off. If a team can't be bothered to play to the end of the 80, they deserve to lose one of there winning points. |
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| Quote: Fax4Life "Not that many games are like that, like I said if it was so good how come its not been adopted by SL and Championship 1?'"
It's still used in CC1. |
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| Quote: faxlad66 "I have mixed feelings on the issue, maybe if we had achieved a bonus point during all our lost games we would have a different opinion on the system as we would be top, but as we have not we deem it as rewarding failure. The bottom line is that we will take anything if it puts us top of the league so cant see Fev complaining too much!'"
Well I for one dislike it!
I could just about understand it if it was a reward for entertaing play, for example you get a point for scoring 5 trys in a game.
Griff would have you believe it makes no difference, but if you look at the current table, I'd be a bit miffed if I was a Sheffield fan and we lost out on top Spot to Fev because Fev got 4 bonus points and Sheffield 1 BP. And the bottom of the table even worse how about being a Swinton fan and finding yourself relegated having won more games than Barrow? And at what cost over the next few years!
A system that means that can mean get more points for 4 losses (4 BP) than a win and 3 losses (0 BP) just does not feel right. |
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| Quote: Cassandra "Surely it's down to us for loseing by more than 12 points, instead of playing to the end of full time, rather than us gifting the opposition the bonus point?'"
That backs up my point, if you lose then you lose and get Nil Points as they say in Eurovision land.
I have no grumbles with that we lost to Fev twice and Sheffield and got nowt as we failed, end of story.
As for your statement playing for the full 80 minutes yer but we had already lost all those 3 games at around the 50th minute point so that is irrelevant it aint like we were losing in a close game we just didn't play well in most of the game full stop!
Like I said if its so good SL and RU would have adopted it, you may note RU rewards scoring more tries and cricket rewards scoring more runs and getting more wickets, not for holding out for a close defeat! |
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| Quote: griff1998 "Same points for a narrow win as for a draw, then. ![]()
ok, 4 points for a win instead of the 3. then same as said before.
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I like the bonus point BUT it should be within a coverted try, nothing more !
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| Quote: FevGrinder "
Griff would have you believe it makes no difference, but if you look at the current table, I'd be a bit miffed if I was a Sheffield fan and we lost out on top Spot to Fev because Fev got 4 bonus points and Sheffield 1 BP. And the bottom of the table even worse how about being a Swinton fan and finding yourself relegated having won more games than Barrow? And at what cost over the next few years!
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Not really - we got 17 extra points for winning 17 games, compared with the 2-1-0 system. We're never going to get 4 bonus points from losing two games, are we ?
Who's contributed more to the entertainment value of their games this year ? Swinton - or Barrow and Hunslet ? |
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Who gives a Sh!t about entertainment value when it comes to the league table. It should reflect the result and nothing else. 3 win 2 Draw 0 Lose.
Dont get me wrong entertaining teams should be comended and reports and game write ups should reflect that, as should the championship player of the week etc, but thats where it stops.
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| Quote: Faxhali "Who gives a poop about entertainment value when it comes to the league table. It should reflect the result and nothing else. 3 win 2 Draw 0 Lose.
Dont get me wrong entertaining teams should be comended and reports and game write ups should reflect that, as should the championship player of the week etc, but thats where it stops.'"
We're in the entertainment business. If the game's doesn't entertain, we're dead in the water.
3-2-0 - that's a new proposal. |
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Quote: Fax4Life "Er presumptious aren't we I think the drop goal is well worth having, it won us the Challenge Cup in 1987 for goodness sake and for me it is pshycological as well it just puts that gap in the scores.
As for the bonus point well you said it, its part of the Championship - but not SL or Championship 1 you may have noticed so why do we have it???
As for Hunslet they have 22 points yet have only won 4 games, how ridiculous.'"
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Quote: Fax4Life "Er presumptious aren't we I think the drop goal is well worth having, it won us the Challenge Cup in 1987 for goodness sake and for me it is pshycological as well it just puts that gap in the scores.
As for the bonus point well you said it, its part of the Championship - but not SL or Championship 1 you may have noticed so why do we have it???
As for Hunslet they have 22 points yet have only won 4 games, how ridiculous.'"
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| Quote: griff1998 "Not really - we got 17 extra points for winning 17 games, compared with the 2-1-0 system. We're never going to get 4 bonus points from losing two games, are we ?
Who's contributed more to the entertainment value of their games this year ? Swinton - or Barrow and Hunslet ?'"
Griff,
So I'll ask again does the 3-2-1-0 system make a difference compared to the previous 2-1-0 system?
And if it does is it fair to the Swinton fans that they find themselves in a relegation place having won more games than Barrow?
And while we're asking questions, yes we are in the entertainment business - so what is the entertainment in:
- Taking a penalty with 5 minutes to go so that you get within 12 points in a losing game?
- Or playing 5 drives followed by a deep kick to stop, so called better teams, having the chance to score against you and therefore trying to stay within the 12 point margin?
In my opinion it is these sort of tactics that the current bonus system encourages, it does not encourage flowing open running rugby which I think is entertaining. |
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| Quote: FevGrinder "Griff,
So I'll ask again does the 3-2-1-0 system make a difference compared to the previous 2-1-0 system?
And if it does is it fair to the Swinton fans that they find themselves in a relegation place having won more games than Barrow?
And while we're asking questions, yes we are in the entertainment business - so what is the entertainment in
Dave
It's dangerous to pick out an isolated example and base your policy around it. You'll inevitably come out with the wrong answer.
I see folk focus on losers getting a point without acknowledging that winners and drawers also get one. 3-2-1-0 gives an extra point to everyone EXCEPT those who lose by more than 12. As a principle, what exactly is wrong with that ? Why do you want to favour teams who don't contribute to the game?
Sure - there are loads of ways you COULD decide a champion. The first league (cricket county championship) was decided on who lost least games. Fancy that method ? You could make a case for points difference (every minute counts) or just points scored (entertainment value) - the possibilities are endless. The fact is that 2-1-0 is what we've been brought up on and folk don't like change.
Meanwhile, other changes in the game get ignored. Easy to say, "we'd have won the league if it hadn't been for bonus points" but you never hear anyone say "we'd have won the league if there'd been no 40/20 rule." Bit more difficult to prove, that one - though it may well be true. Fact is - the results are just based on what the rules are at the time.
Anyway - I'm fed up of this now. I'm not fussed either way.
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| Quote: FevGrinder "Griff,
So I'll ask again does the 3-2-1-0 system make a difference compared to the previous 2-1-0 system?
And if it does is it fair to the Swinton fans that they find themselves in a relegation place having won more games than Barrow?
And while we're asking questions, yes we are in the entertainment business - so what is the entertainment in
Under the previous Halifax coach we might have been involved in a result ie: 46-40 ( either way around ) which wouldn't have shocked anyone at all, but both coaches would have been happy with taking a point for scoring 40 points, equally pee'd off at conceding 46, sore at actually losing after scoring 40 points & all those type of comments that coaches trot out in the aftermatch of a points fest, entertaining game of RL. The players would have known what to expect in the following few training sessions after conceding 46 points more than likely, unless they're thick !
I know which rugby I would like to watch, and I thought summer rugby was intended ( or partly ) to improve the quality of product on the field compared to the winter style brand.
I haven't attended very many games at all this season for various reasons, as always, I enjoy our RL discussions and even better over a few sherbets ! I'm not prepared to go into detail on an internet forum though, still think we can win the GF ( well, you have to don't you ? ) but I'm actually busting a bubble to get my backside down to Elland road for tomorrow's opening league fixture Leeds Utd v Brighton & H.A. almost 31,000 tickets had been sold at close of office hours on thursday, now that is exciting, the old place will be bouncing. That's entertainment in my life, can't wait.
My two favourite sporting teams, once great, out of the top division for a decade or so &s still re-building, life can be tough, but things could be a whole lot worse !
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| Quote: griff1998 "Dave
It's dangerous to pick out an isolated example and base your policy around it. You'll inevitably come out with the wrong answer.
I see folk focus on losers getting a point without acknowledging that winners and drawers also get one. 3-2-1-0 gives an extra point to everyone EXCEPT those who lose by more than 12. As a principle, what exactly is wrong with that ? Why do you want to favour teams who don't contribute to the game?
Sure - there are loads of ways you COULD decide a champion. The first league (cricket county championship) was decided on who lost least games. Fancy that method ? You could make a case for points difference (every minute counts) or just points scored (entertainment value) - the possibilities are endless. The fact is that 2-1-0 is what we've been brought up on and folk don't like change.
Meanwhile, other changes in the game get ignored. Easy to say, "we'd have won the league if it hadn't been for bonus points" but you never hear anyone say "we'd have won the league if there'd been no 40/20 rule." Bit more difficult to prove, that one - though it may well be true. Fact is - the results are just based on what the rules are at the time.
Anyway - I'm fed up of this now. I'm not fussed either way.'"
Rich,
Thanks for [iNOT[/i answering my questions, you ever thought about being a politician?
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