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| Quote: lfcnige "If he is our best winger we are in real trouble...the guy did not want to play. At one point they were abot to play the ball and he was strolling back to his line playing with another ball...that is one ofthe reasonsi dont want him back. He "would not" tackle Yere, if he had tried i would not of minded but he seemed to just let him run past him the whole game...never mind his catching abaility, which is one of the most important parts of Rugby and he cant do it. He has been a waste of a great potential talent'"
Amazing.
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| Quote: chris_smith "In all honesty this performance is like many this season but previously its been against poorer opposition and we've undeservedly stolen a last gasp win. Yes the league is competitive but when we've played the good teams weve looked pretty average at times. I'd say we've probably only put in one complete 80 minute performance all season and that was at Blackpool. We need that intensity every week or close to it.
For me York away was poor, Leigh at home, both Keighleys at home, Swinton away, I could worryingly go on and name a few more. However for me this year has been for the majority pretty disappointing with only glimpses of promise. However I will judge on what goes on next year as the team transition into a new era, coach etc was a big shift from the old culture and Rome wasn't built in a day.
Our half backs were my biggest disappointment as they simply have mis-fired all season and never really looked like clicking. Plus our offload and phase 2 has been in the main poor. The one thing I expected to improve but at times has also been woeful is the defence and in particular goal line defence, this has been at times abysmal. The major worry now is that our main game breaker has now gone and on today's performance nobody else out there will take that mantle so I hope they have a master stroke of a replacement lined up!!
Had this not been Harrison's first season In charge as well as being a cult hero at Fax I think questions would be getting asked about the way the season has limped and stuttered along. Remember We used our get out of jail card to reach the NRC final and things could have been very different.
Today we absolutely lacked enthusiasm and motivation and I'm always concerned when a team look disinterested and unmotivated on the field. To me a coach also motivates his team and installs belief and passion so where was it today??
Don't get me wrong I'm not pushing the panic button and I believe (hope) that Karl is the right man to take us forward. I think after a year in charge though he probably now realises the task he has to get us anywhere near Fevs consistency end fluidity on the pitch is a big one.
Overall 5/10 for me for the season and fingers crossed for a few changes. I think we just need a few Tweeks here and their but next year needs to be much more consistent on the field.
Leigh I think have overtaken us as their halves and Pivots for next year are quality.
Big improvement required.'"
100% agree.
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| dreadfull no halfbacks and no creatvity. Feel sorry for the big guys they have nbo one taking them around the field.
Big changes next year needed.
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| Quote: lfcnige "If he is our best winger we are in real trouble...the guy did not want to play. At one point they were abot to play the ball and he was strolling back to his line playing with another ball...that is one ofthe reasonsi dont want him back. He "would not" tackle Yere, if he had tried i would not of minded but he seemed to just let him run past him the whole game...never mind his catching abaility, which is one of the most important parts of Rugby and he cant do it. He has been a waste of a great potential talent'"
the 'attempted' tackle on yere was appalling but there were many worse players than worrincy who IS without a doubt our best winger.
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| If you dont want him,Id have him back,Wouldnt mind seeing Menzie with Worrincy at the side of him,Would be interesting,Would be like a black version of "Twins" the film,Menzie would look after him.Is Worrincy like Arnie though?
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| Quote: EAGLEBLADE II "If you dont want him,Id have him back,Wouldnt mind seeing Menzie with Worrincy at the side of him,Would be interesting,Would be like a black version of "Twins" the film,Menzie would look after him.Is Worrincy like Arnie though?'"
I wouldn't have him back, he still can't catch and he didn't attempt to tackle Menzie once.
Although his pass to Scott Turner for our 4th try was sublime
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| To be fair i dont think id attempt to tackle Menzie.
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| Really well played today Eagles nothing but respect again for you guys and at the end I was down at the touchline applauding your guys as well as well as our own.
Great bunch of lads from Sheffield today who got behind the team and new how to celebrate and enjoy themselves during the match.
Credit to the game the lot of you.
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| What a nice thing to say
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| Quote: faxcar "Really well played today Eagles nothing but respect again for you guys and at the end I was down at the touchline applauding your guys as well as well as our own.
Great bunch of lads from Sheffield today who got behind the team and new how to celebrate and enjoy themselves during the match.
Credit to the game the lot of you.
Cheers mate, appreciate it!
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| We can't take this season out of context, it's been hugely competitive and we've managed to win the NRC and we've improved our position in the table despite there being so many tough teams. And also we have been RAVAGED by injuries all season, so I appreciate there is disappointment with certain areas but overall I think we've done very well considering everything that happened in the off season.
The two big areas that need looking at next year have to be our defensive line speed and our attacking style (moves and running lines) which have both been fairly poor overall this year.
We need to bring in some new playmakers, bring in some competitiveness. Ideally an out an out half back, another 9 and a player who can fit both roles like Beswick for example. I do like Thacks and he is blooming useful but I feel like we're wasting a half back spot with him and that he'd be more suited to 13 where he can roam around as he pleases.
6 - Handforth
7 - New signing
9 - New signing (Ideally a live wire number 9) and Ashall (Rotating)
13 - Thacks
14 - New signing (Halfback/Hooker)
That would give us the variety of playmakers and competition we need and have lacked this season.
The future is bright!
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| Overall a mediocre season. Northern rail cup was a good one but still that's the only game really that we played well from start to finish.
I don't actually believe we are lacking creativity. Personally I think it's all down to the coaching. I think if we still had Branighan he would be the exact replica of Handforth. When Calland was in charge I think he concentrated on attack 75% of the time and sort of let the defence suffer. Now if we brought Branighan back he would be a little bit dull compared to what he was back then (by no means was he a fantastic creative stand-off).
So we know what we are going to get with Harrisons coaching - a little dull but aggressive and sometimes entertaining unlike with Calland which was frustrating but very exciting.
Now i'm not slagging Harrison off purely because I believe we do need to improve our defence and in patches I think it has improved slightly but I think the attack really has to step it up a gear next year.
What I think people need to improve next season is;
Running lines & running at the gaps (not the man) learn how to play a little bit more ''off the cuff'' when its needed and just generally improve basic skills.
We couldn't keep hold of the ball today and that let us down, along with plenty of other things.
Aizue, Gannon and Hesketh need to be replaced.
And if anyone says ''Well Morrison will fill one of the gaps''... What happens we get another season long injury and we are down to the bare bones like we have ended up being this season?
Penky certainly needs replacing
Another centre wouldn't go a miss
A half back also.
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| Yesterday was woeful but had been coming, Keighley game we only just got home, and have looked like that for weeks.
Eagles played well yesterday and we were probably out coached but Handforth has to go for me. He takes the speed out of moves that pass to the runner behind is a waste of time and he dare n't attack the line as he's just too slow.
We need a number of players in next year and I'm not sure about Rettie, he's strong but a winger, probably better in 2nd row.
On Worrincy, he may have not tackled Yere but the 4th try he was 3 v 1 so what support was he getting.
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| Quote: Norman Bates "Yesterday was woeful but had been coming, Keighley game we only just got home, and have looked like that for weeks.
Eagles played well yesterday and we were probably out coached but Handforth has to go for me. He takes the speed out of moves that pass to the runner behind is a waste of time and he dare n't attack the line as he's just too slow.
We need a number of players in next year and I'm not sure about Rettie, he's strong but a winger, probably better in 2nd row.
On Worrincy, he may have not tackled Yere but the 4th try he was 3 v 1 so what support was he getting.'"
I struggle to disagree with anything you said. Handforth just never takes the line on he always just passes the ball as soon as he gets it and not always quick or smart. Rettie just doesnt do it for me at all, he hasnt got the speed or the awareness that Paul White has (and weve let him go). Worrincy is by far one of the best wingers in this division. His defencive frailties yesterday were mostly because he was left isolated. We have spent the last few games just going down the middle, whatever happened to getting the ball to the centres and wingers???
I am hopeful that Karl will bring in a quality hooker and hopefully another half back then, along with the returning sickies we could have a decent squad.
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| First things first, sheffield can only beat what was put in front of them, and they battered us. Good luck to them for rest of season.
With respect to Halifax, irrelevant of the ledgend he was as a player, I am not convinced of KH as a coach of [ientertaining[/i rugby league. (yes I know he is up for coach of the year... ) IMO, On this years performance, he isn't even one of the best 3 coaches in this league
I want to convince myself I am in the wrong, but I really cant see where he has dramtically improved us. He can blame injuries as much as he likes, but all teams get injuries; it doesn't help when he signs players with past injury issues like morrison.
It wasn't a secret he was coming, he has built his own team, and basically in a number of cases relied on the "well he did alright for me before, so I will take him to Halifax"; most of the signings he brought in from Batley haven't cut it.
This isn't a gut reaction, I have 3.5 hours travel time on game days, gives me ample time to reflect on what I have seen; we have been very lucky in many games; we played well in the final for a full 80; cant remember many other games when we did that.
What worries me is that unless we have some major new blood, what will change? many of the players who haven't done it consistently are already signed up for next year. Just because your "a name" at this level, you cant rest on your laurels, I think some of our players have.
Get someone in who can change a game... like a penky, a black, a beswick, a holroyd etc etc ... we seem to have lost quality and replaced with average.
I am sure people will fire off at me, but I am entitled to my opinion, even if its not the same as everyone elses...
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