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Quote: wereutherein1987? "So is it beyond reality that both Cas & Wakey fail to renew their sl franchise, paving the way for 2 x championship clubs in 2012??

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I should think so given it was the defining factor as to their stay of execution last time. Widnes and Fax for promotion. I've been saying it for ages.

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Quote: Chris Dalton "I should think so given it was the defining factor as to their stay of execution last time. Widnes and Fax for promotion. I've been saying it for ages.'"




so that means Sky aka Super Dooper Leage will go for Widnes and a Toulouse side full of mediocre Aussies

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Personally would rather aim for 2015. Playong on sdl before then will see us struggle. Only Widnes should go up going on the franchise farce thats in place.

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Quote: The Lucky Black Cat "Personally would rather aim for 2015. Playong on sdl before then will see us struggle. Only Widnes should go up going on the franchise farce thats in place.'"

my prediction is by 2015 it will be an even more closed shop than it is now.

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Quote: swifty62 "my prediction is by 2015 it will be an even more closed shop than it is now.'"


I`m inclined to agree with you , it wouldn`t surprise me if they pull the drawbridge up after this.

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Quote: johnny freeman fan club "I`m inclined to agree with you , it wouldn`t surprise me if they pull the drawbridge up after this.'"



Except for clubs in "development Areas"

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Quote: Les West Guitar God "Except for clubs in "development Areas"'"


Well that goes without saying of course. eusa_whistle.gif

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Sounds like they will be at our place in 2012 from what the rumours are at football match.Don't think our chairman Mr Cryne will turn down the revenue if possible.

A 15min walk to watch the Fax in 2012 sounds good to me. icon_biggrin.gifANCE: icon_biggrin.gifANCE: icon_biggrin.gifANCE:

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I think Wakefield will bounce back from this, maybe a stint with us and Leigh wont do them any harm long term.
The Cas situation however is intriging, how a town of 35000 can support a 15000 £15m stadium (in this climate) with just a SL season, and some of the games taken on the road is beyond me. Wakefield on the on other hand is a MUCH larger CITY. that could quite conceivably have a similar situation to ours with either the Football or RU team keeping the costs and upkeep realistic. Im sure there will be reference to someone playing reserves at the proposed Cas ground, but im telling you all its a white elephant and if it does get built (which i doubt) the stadium management would have a hell of a job to get the place even breaking even. The local authorities should be parping themselves if this goes ahead, it smacks of other stories we all know too well. Chins up Wakey, the battle may be lost but the war can still be won.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: justthebasicfax "I think Wakefield will bounce back from this, maybe a stint with us and Leigh wont do them any harm long term.
The Cas situation however is intriging, how a town of 35000 can support a 15000 £15m stadium (in this climate) with just a SL season, and some of the games taken on the road is beyond me. Wakefield on the on other hand is a MUCH larger CITY. that could quite conceivably have a similar situation to ours with either the Football or RU team keeping the costs and upkeep realistic. Im sure there will be reference to someone playing reserves at the proposed Cas ground, but im telling you all its a white elephant and if it does get built (which i doubt) the stadium management would have a hell of a job to get the place even breaking even. The local authorities should be parping themselves if this goes ahead, it smacks of other stories we all know too well. Chins up Wakey, the battle may be lost but the war can still be won.'"


The population of cas is just a shade under 40k and there are about 1500 houses being built within 2 miles of the ground in the next couple of years. Cas dont just draw support from cas there are large amounts of cas fans in pontefract, knottingley, normanton, allerton bywater, selby, kippax and even some in methley, fev, wakey and barsley. Wakey dont really draw much support from the east of heath common as these are fev and cas areas (with well in excess of 100k people living there). Other sports have struggled to survive proffesionaly in wakefield with ru team going bust years ago , as for the football team there is bad blood between them from last time they shared with wakey so i doubt they would share with wakey when they have there own ground which is big enough for there needs and will cost alot less than sharing a sl quality stadium with wakefield.

The cas stadium will be 13.5 k capacity and will cost 11.5 million, cas will be a lot better of financially in the new stadium as we have virtually no corporate revenue at the moment while we will have a large amount at the new ground, as well as the fact that crowds should increase (as the nearly always do with a new ground) with new ground which is in a fantastic location with lots to do within 5 minutes walk of the ground, it will aslo be the easiest rl stadium to travel to by a long way, which should tempt a few more away fans through the doors. The ground will be used for other events such as concerts and some minor internationals (ie like keepmoat and leighs new ground). The ground will also have a large bar which will operate 7 days a week in a busy tourist destination and will bring alot of cash. Another thing to consider is that the maintaince cost on an old ground like ours are higher than they will be in a new stadium. Cas are not a rich club but live within our means and were one of 4 sl clubs to post a profit in 2009 (albeit only 26k) and dont have a history of financial instability. Wakefield have had to fight the taxman off twice in a year despite having already been given half the money from the sale of belle vue to payoff debts and several hundred thousand pound in transfer fees for brough and atkins, and had to have a benefactor pay there last tax bill for them. Cas had players play for england at u16's, u18's and senior level this year and cas played 11 home grown players in sl last year.

I dont have anything against wakey (for me salford would be for the drop) but i fail to see where wakey are superior in anyway to cas other than they are a city and we are a town (like warrington and widnes are).

Cas are putting in for fpp tomorow (with no objections to the site, which is already earmarked for development) so i understand, and should begin building in april after being held back by outside agencies for the last 2 years.

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Calderdale has a population of >200,000 people so that makes Cas a weasel compared to the sleepy giant of Fax.

Cas please step aside and let the proper franchise team through HRLFC.

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Quote: wereutherein1987? "Calderdale has a population of >200,000 people so that makes Cas a weasel compared to the sleepy giant of Fax.

Cas please step aside and let the proper franchise team through HRLFC.'"


The dates being mentioned seem to suggest that Castleford are also worried. My feeling is that if the works starting in April, thats not soon enough and regardless of being held back by other authorities, they have been talking about stadiums for a long long time and nothing has happened, we had to take our medicine, Leigh and Widnes also took there medicine and came back stronger, Cas and Wakey shouldnt be too down hearted but there inactivity on this front should not be dealt with too sympathetically. Saints have moved, and Salford wont be kicked out because of the Greater Manchester presence that the RFL wants. IT remains to be seen if nepotism rears its ugly head here though.

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Cas are a joke. This stadium farce has been doing the rounds for years. Richard Wright makes a statement every 6 months or so but the reality is nothing is happening.
Cas is a big village that cant compete in sl. The best youngsters end up at bigger clubs-westerman, shenton, lynch for example. Cas are a championship club who have sneaked in to sl. Fax were unlucky to lose in 2009. Barrow beat them well in 2010.

Widnes,Fax and Barrow would all be better on and ofg the field in SL than Cas.

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lucky black cat must be a pussy cat supporter for the comments he makes.just compare the av attendences over the last few years ,a city might have big populations but few seem to want to watch rugby at wakefield

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Quote: The Lucky Black Cat "Cas are a joke. This stadium farce has been doing the rounds for years. Richard Wright makes a statement every 6 months or so but the reality is nothing is happening.
Cas is a big village that cant compete in sl. The best youngsters end up at bigger clubs-westerman, shenton, lynch for example. Cas are a championship club who have sneaked in to sl. Fax were unlucky to lose in 2009. Barrow beat them well in 2010.

Widnes,Fax and Barrow would all be better on and ofg the field in SL than Cas.'"


RW makes a statement regarding the stadium every month. That is called good communication as the Cas fans start getting frustated about the lack of updates. As for your other comments, based on no factual evidence whatsoever, I'll ignore. Besides, Lynch went because of our relegation 2004 - he didn't go for any other reason. Shenton was out of contract and obviously players want to have success. As for Westerman, we wanted to keep him but he rejected that so we sold him. The coincidence was that the sale also secured our full planning permission costs for our new stadium thus saving the club effectively an extra £100k.

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