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Quote: halifaxjohn "icon_motor.gif
Sick and tired of people blaming match officials. I was unfortunate enough to stand in front of a group who continually bellowed "off side" whenever we had the ball. They blamed the ref when we clearly ripped the ball from Dewsbury shouting "knock on" I wondered how they were going to blame him for us not kicking the ball into touch when Dewsbury scored or blaming him when the ball bounced back from the posts for them to score.
Stayed a little after the final whistle only to be told by a number of Dewsbury fans that the ref was on our side.
The match officials can't win.
Lets face it love the Fax as i do we were our own worst enemies at times, we played poorly, to blame one player as someone has "handforth" is plain daft. We are all in it together. Lets face it we were lucky. But hey, I can take the luck with pleasure.
As someone said, "We make hard work of it, but then we are Fax"
Keep the faith.

Totally agree. I was stood near there also. i dont think being a fan makes you so blind that every single decision by the officials is incorrect and leads to a mouthful of abuse. Enjoy the game! dewsbury were brilliant and worked hard. Fax did great to win this one.

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I have been abroad for a good few years and so I haven't seen as much of Fax as I would have liked. As I now live too far away to travel to see the fax I decided to spend £12.99 to watch them on Premium Sports.
I have a few questions or remarks to make about the game.
* When did the ruck area stop really been policed - This area of the game is soooo slow - is this normal at this level?
* When did the attacking kicks stop been part of the game & we simply kick the ball dead and re group on the 20?
* Did we really have that few ideas in attack - I know that Dewsbury slowed the game down and the conditions were not great - with the obvious exceptions of close to the line when the defense of Dewsbury simply melted away. We really didn't have many ideas - Unless we get the quick play the ball we struggle.
* What happened to the grounds and spectators? The noise we made was great to hear but the numbers have dwindled (or appear to have)

Before everyone jumps on my case about been negative - I just want to say I was very happy that we won the game and I remember many a year when we would have simply lost the game, and I was also very impressed with our fitness levels and desire.

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* When did the ruck area stop really been policed - This area of the game is soooo slow - is this normal at this level? Its pretty normal yes. Not been big headed here but we are the fastest team in the league around the PTB and when we are in full flow like in the last 15 minutes last night we are unstoppable. I believe the refs simply cant handle the pace which is why so much holding down is allowed. The offsides last night were also beyond a joke with a player stood directly in the refs eye line nearly offside nearly every tackle.

* When did the attacking kicks stop been part of the game & we simply kick the ball dead and re group on the 20? Its a tactic thats been used for a while. leeds are the best at it and it simply gives you a controlled restart and like you say a chance to get set. I think any kick from inside your own 40 that goes dead over your opponents in goal should result in a 30 or 40 metre restart as a punishment for negative play.

* Did we really have that few ideas in attack - I know that Dewsbury slowed the game down and the conditions were not great - with the obvious exceptions of close to the line when the defense of Dewsbury simply melted away. We really didn't have many ideas - Unless we get the quick play the ball we struggle. Its not the pitch or the whether for expansive rugby unfortunately. Im getting annoyed at people saying if we dont have a quick PTB we struggle. Hell thats part of the game if we win the tackle why shouldnt we be able to play the ball quick? And why the hell shouldnt we play to our skills?

* What happened to the grounds and spectators? The noise we made was great to hear but the numbers have dwindled (or appear to have) God knows, the product on the pitch is superb and we sit nicely at the top of the league but we probably have hit the max sort of crowds we will hit at this level. Its a massive shame.

Before everyone jumps on my case about been negative - I just want to say I was very happy that we won the game and I remember many a year when we would have simply lost the game, and I was also very impressed with our fitness levels and desire.'"


Answers in bold and the last bit sums up how we should all feel very nicely.

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Thank you for your reply.
To be fair the ref did look in pretty bad shape, but surely the RL should be watching these games and pick up on the spoiling tactics and amend the rules or ensure that refs crack down on it. This will sound biased as I am a fax fan but the quick rugby in the last 15 mins was so nice to watch.
I understand the basis behind why teams would do the kick out, but surely a 40 - 20 would have an even better outcome, nice idea on the penalty for negative play.
It is the first time this year that I have seen us play and I think that we did struggle without the quick play the ball, until we got close to the line. Can you honestly say that attacking from afar in last nights game we looked like scoring (without a quick play the ball). I agree with playing to our skills and I think that teams should get off the tackled player a lot quicker. This makes the game as a spectacle a lot better and tidies up the ruck area for non fans who are watching our game for the first time.
That suprises me about the crowds. If I am ever in that neck of the woods I will defo be coming to watch a game.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "They may have matched but I really dont think they bettered us.

Im too getting sick of some of the poop posted on here. Awful night, ing it down, awful conditions, played most of the game with 15 men and kept ourselves in the game enough to be in with a shout and looked the fitter team at the end despite all that. Did we really play poorly? Not in my eyes. It was a rough tough exciting game against a team who make it tough on their own ground and we dug in and won. We arnt/wont be the only team to struggle there.

You cant win every game by 30 points, sometimes you have to tough it out and the best teams are the ones that are good enough to win games that others would lose. That was one of them last night.'"



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Would we have won that game last year?

or the york away game?

or the Swinton away game?

my opinion would be probably not.

They only bad thing to come out off last night is the injuries, everything else can be taken as 'things to work on' which Rhino will improve in training.

Well done Fax.

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In hindsight it was a very good result, as Norman said those were the sort of games we'd have lost last year, things wouldn't be going our way and we'd fold but last night was different. While I think we should probably have a more elusive and clear 'Plan B', we did still come away with the win last night and hey, no teams perfect. Also, we can't forget these aren't the usual teams we've played against in the past where we should expect an easy win, most teams in this division are very well organised and have players who can do a lot of damage. Dewsbury have caused Leigh and Batley big problems and they've beaten Keighley so summing it all up, it's actually a very good result especially with the short turn-around and conditions.

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oh yeah!

or the london away game?

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Just concerning injuries, hows Ben Heaton doing?

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "They may have matched but I really dont think they bettered us.

Im too getting sick of some of the poop posted on here. Awful night, ing it down, awful conditions, played most of the game with 15 men and kept ourselves in the game enough to be in with a shout and looked the fitter team at the end despite all that. Did we really play poorly? Not in my eyes. It was a rough tough exciting game against a team who make it tough on their own ground and we dug in and won. We arnt/wont be the only team to struggle there.

You cant win every game by 30 points, sometimes you have to tough it out and the best teams are the ones that are good enough to win games that others would lose. That was one of them last night.'"


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Well Greg you should know. I said we played poorly, I still enjoyed the game and feel I have the right to express my opinion. Quite a few people I spoke to agreed with me. We showed courage and fitness but I stand by my comment. We played poorly.
O'h and an extract from todays courier.

“Rob wasn’t having his best game, I thought our backfield players were poor in general, but he showed great commitment, speed and athleticism to get back and make a tackle he probably had no right to make".

Looking forward to seeing you after you tell Karl he is talking "poop"
Just let me know what ward your in.
Best wishes.
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Quote: halifaxjohn " and feel I have the right to express my opinion. '"


Yet moan when people express theirs. icon_rolleyes.gif

Unless im reading that bit wrong KH dosnt say we player poorly does he? I totally agree with what he says but obviously you seem to have taken it out of context.

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I will let you have the last word.

Thanks. icon_wink.gif

At the end of the day whats it matter, we are busted and doing it tough yet we sit very pretty at the top of the league. Happy Days. k020.gif

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I don't care who we are playing there all tough games for different reasons.
Dewsbury at home included.
In the first half I would have liked us to have kicked the Rams into their own half on the last play and had them run it uphill a bit more.
The completion rate as been averaging low lately and our line speed in defence needs to be a bit quicker but for all the work in progress points were still getting the results just hope we don't run out of bodies with the injury list that's rising.

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Totally disagree, I watched as a neutral and thought Handforth had a good game, he created two trys and his second half kicking was excellent, pegging Dewsbury back time after time.
If your looking at who to blame look no further than thackery, I didnt even realise he was on the field till mid second half.

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Quote: Bat Lad "Totally disagree, I watched as a neutral and thought Handforth had a good game, he created two trys and his second half kicking was excellent, pegging Dewsbury back time after time.
If your looking at who to blame look no further than thackery, I didnt even realise he was on the field till mid second half.'"


Agree with that. Handforth is copping for it bescause his half back partner is under performing.

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