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Can anyone anywhere tell me one good thing that the franchise system has achieved?

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Quote: tommy "Personally I don't think RL is strong enough to have 'simple' P&R which is simply the best going up because of the difference in money, player standard etc. However, that could be down to how the RFL run things and share the money I suppose so the notion of 'simple' P&R could still stand (ergo you are indeed correct), I just don't think that in the current RL climate you could just switch a button and let most teams from the Championship up without it ending in relegation the next year.'"


But that is because the Championship Clubs are geting a great deal less money.
3yrs ago if they had allowed Widnes up do you think they would have done worse than Crusaders even allowing for all the money they threw at them ?
So is it fair to change rules in order to keep the clubs in that they want and deliberatly keep clubs out who may do better than Crusaders , Paris, Gateshead and now Tolouse in for as long as they can till it goes pear shaped.

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We are also not saying that everything in the press release is perfect they are just an expeession of how many fans feel, what we want to do is stimulate discussion because everyone is frightened to death of speaking out against the RFL so in that respect it`s worked.

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Quote: hodgson15 "Can anyone anywhere tell me one good thing that the franchise system has achieved?'"


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Quote: Bubba "I know it comes down to personal opinion but I really cannot understand why anyone would be against P&R. Its the most fair, sporting, accurate, you name it, way.'"


It is hard to work when you have a part time league team joining a full time league. Theres no time to bring players in as most have been snapped up and unless your team is very good and can make the step up like HKR did then its destined to be a failure.

I think there has to be a happy medim somewhere though.

+1 to not liking the tag line. Every time i read it i think, i dont actually hate RL, but it could be taken to mean that quite easily. Im also of the belief that simple P&R cant work in RL as it is at the moment. As has been said im more about the process been fair and transparent.

So i think its a good idea in principal i just think it needs a bit of tweaking.

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I agree, not keen on the hate word, how about:

Championship clubs hate segregation, give us back super league relegation.

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How about having a large RFL printed on a t-shirt with the word 'FAIL' across it as though it had been rubber-stamped?

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Quote: johnny freeman fan club "But that is because the Championship Clubs are geting a great deal less money.
3yrs ago if they had allowed Widnes up do you think they would have done worse than Crusaders even allowing for all the money they threw at them ?
So is it fair to change rules in order to keep the clubs in that they want and deliberatly keep clubs out who may do better than Crusaders , Paris, Gateshead and now Tolouse in for as long as they can till it goes pear shaped.'"


Absolutely, that's spot on. As I say because of the 'current RL climate' I think the RFL have, for the past few years, been making SL stronger and the Champs weaker (plus wasting money on s**te clubs and not lower leagues) because they want a 'shut shop'. Back when there was P&R as Leyther Matt alluded to you could still go up and down a bit easier but simply switching back to that is not as easy nowadays, all through the RFL's fault.

Either way, tag line or not, yours and the ST's idea is spot on and just in doing so so the protest and pressure group is still well recieved over here.

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Listen guys the campaign is launched and our aim was to be thought provoking and controversial to give us a voice. Irrespective of the words Love / Hate etc, I do hate what the RFL have done to the game, my club and the general fan and more importantly the heartlands. I hate the lies and the corrupt behaviour of a nameless few. We will never get everyone on side with the campaign name but it is achieving it's intended response!!

What matters is what we do next, ensuring we work collectively and how we go about it as a group. We as The Trust will lead this and hopefully gain some momentum and support as we move along.

The meeting on Monday should should provide us with an idea of how much local support we have and how much noise RL Fans want to make.

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Quote: Tortured Soul "How about having a large RFL printed on a t-shirt with the word 'FAIL' across it as though it had been rubber-stamped?'"


I like this one .

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Quote: Tortured Soul "How about having a large RFL printed on a t-shirt with the word 'FAIL' across it as though it had been rubber-stamped?'"


I like this one. Maybe work in a licencing theme somewhere.

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Could list all the RFL experiments that didn't work as well (or at least things/CLubs that have failed with the RFL's input)

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i think the word 'hate' is also a big risk!

it could come across as childish and bitter, but then again i do 'hate' the way the RFL have handled this whole expansion/franchising affair!

so i will back it,

sitting back silent will get us nowhere! well done

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Forget the name of the campaign if you don't like it. It's what it/we represent that's important!! We want our Sport back without dictation and a game ran by a transparent governing body who don't constantly move the goal posts!! Thus is what are campaign is about BACK US AND YOUR CLUB!!

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Good luck Chris.

I just feel, in the cold light of day that our SL licence application up against a SL club's application would lose out every time. Even against crusaders! That is where we, and all championship clubs need to attack this from.

Also the fact that the RFL changed the rules re adminstration to protect crusaders and inadvertantly saved wakefield. Someone needs to ask who would have gone if crusaders hadn't folded.

Also how crusaders can be such a shambles when being run by the RFL.

Last and no means least - they need to be asked what they plan for our competition - if anything at all. An ill planned attempt to place a french expansion team in there? Fail! How many teams will be in our league next year? Fail. Six games to go and no-one knows what there is to play for in the championships! Fail.

Let's not look bitter, let's show the world what a shambles lewis and wood are! Please, drop the hate and forget about us not getting a licence/promoted and use the RFL's other incompetences against them!

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