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| Some interesting views.
The Board have a long term costed plan, I applaud them for this approach.
I would imagine if funds became available sooner then the plans could be brought forward.
But.... I'm pretty certain more players will in effect be offered full time contracts going forward so this notion that part time means everyone is part time is probably not correct and is slightly misleading.
I seem to remember a previous full time only policy cost us the services of Mark Preston, so we should remember full time for the sake of it may not necessarily produce a stronger team over night, and may not suit some of our players at this moment in time.
I think Halifaxjohn (who I don't always agree with) correctly said the board and RM had chosen this path, and they have got us this far, so I am inclined to trust their judgement as they will be privy to income, costs and the circumstances of the players, do we really want to push out (for instance) players like Ross Divorty (a teacher) because it may not be financially viable at our current financial status to go full time.
If however 12 months down the line, sponsorship, crowds and income continues to increase then it may make more sense, and we may be in a better position to help players go full time and keep and attract the right players.
To Mr Jagger, don't be so hasty
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| Agreed with the above, I also believe Miles is in the teacher boat as well though I'd also think that some of our squad are effectively full time, though I have no evidence to back that up.
Also, we may actually pick up some quality part-timers from some off the FT clubs, if they fit RM's plans.
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| Quote: Sumbody "I honestly believe that we'll see the playing field level out & calm down over next few seasons.
Fev, Leigh & Bradford have gone poop or bust. We've heard Fev rumours, Bradford have gone public about trimming their squad. It'll be interesting what Leigh do if they don't succeed.
Then you have London. They're not gonna survive on crowds of a few hundred unless they go part time.
Potentially, coming down we have permantly skint Wakefield or the mess that is Salford who with Koukash will stay full time but have his interference + mystery illnesses + contract disputes + 3 coaches a season or without him will have to cut costs drastically.
Nothing to fear part time, build the commercial side & go Full time when we're ready'"
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| Quote: justthebasicfax "Some interesting views.
The Board have a long term costed plan, I applaud them for this approach.
I would imagine if funds became available sooner then the plans could be brought forward.
But.... I'm pretty certain more players will in effect be offered full time contracts going forward so this notion that part time means everyone is part time is probably not correct and is slightly misleading.
I seem to remember a previous full time only policy cost us the services of Mark Preston, so we should remember full time for the sake of it may not necessarily produce a stronger team over night, and may not suit some of our players at this moment in time.
I think Halifaxjohn (who I don't always agree with) correctly said the board and RM had chosen this path, and they have got us this far, so I am inclined to trust their judgement as they will be privy to income, costs and the circumstances of the players, do we really want to push out (for instance) players like Ross Divorty (a teacher) because it may not be financially viable at our current financial status to go full time.
If however 12 months down the line, sponsorship, crowds and income continues to increase then it may make more sense, and we may be in a better position to help players go full time and keep and attract the right players.
To Mr Jagger, don't be so hasty'"
[i"Halifaxjohn (who I don't always agree with)"[/i
And that's what a forum is about, opinions delivered in an open and honest way.
Your comment about Mark Preston is spot on, I believe he had a far more lucrative job outside of Rugby League.
So it seems on his subject we agree.
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| I think if we pick up a few gems that do not wish to, or cannot afford to go full time then great. Shame isn't it when the decision regarding whether or not you can pursue your dream to become full time / top flight in your chosen sport is driven by economics.
I was thinking earlier, I wonder what say Kevin Sinfield gets paid versus someone like Wayne Rooney, or even Jamie Vardy!!!
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| I'm just glad we have remained somewhere nearer the top of the division over the last few years and to be in with a shout of staying there for the next few whether that be part time, full time or a mixture of both.
Sometimes it just doesn't work out like with KH.
Sometimes it does and with RM there just seems something "right" about him and Fax to make it happen.
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| Quote: Norman Bates "Agreed with the above, I also believe Miles is in the teacher boat as well though I'd also think that some of our squad are effectively full time, though I have no evidence to back that up.
Also, we may actually pick up some quality part-timers from some off the FT clubs, if they fit RM's plans.'"
I would think that those who are full time are employed by the club to do other things. I wouldn't think that means full time in the true sense.
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| Quote: halifaxjohn "I would think that those who are full time are employed by the club to do other things. I wouldn't think that means full time in the true sense.'"
John while I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it , as I think to keep up with our competitors next year going full time is a must ,if no team gets promoted to the SL from the Championship then Bradford , Leigh,and Sheff will all have the advantage over us ,I think Bradford and Leigh will try harder next year and Aston men won't want to be left behind,we must ensure that does t happen at Fax either.
We must improve our Squad get shut of the surplus players ,try to sign a bit of quality ,as we need bigger crowds, bigger sponsors and more on and off field investment,I still think we can win maybe 2 games in the 8's against Leigh and Bradford have faith.
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| Quote: Mr Jagger "John while I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it , as I think to keep up with our competitors next year going full time is a must ,if no team gets promoted to the SL from the Championship then Bradford , Leigh,and Sheff will all have the advantage over us ,I think Bradford and Leigh will try harder next year and Aston men won't want to be left behind,we must ensure that does t happen at Fax either.
We must improve our Squad get shut of the surplus players ,try to sign a bit of quality ,as we need bigger crowds, bigger sponsors and more on and off field investment,I still think we can win maybe 2 games in the 8's against Leigh and Bradford have faith.'"
Terry, explain to me where the money to go full time will come from.
I obviously don't know how much our part time players get.
But a full time player would want, what? £40, 000, £50'0000, ?
Multiply this by a squad, 19 match day selections and another 6 or 7, can't do the maths, but I would respectfully suggest that at the moment we don't have that luxury.
You say have faith, I do but not blind faith.
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| Quote: halifaxjohn "Terry, explain to me where the money to go full time will come from.
I obviously don't know how much our part time players get.
But a full time player would want, what? £40, 000, £50'0000, ?
Multiply this by a squad, 19 match day selections and another 6 or 7, can't do the maths, but I would respectfully suggest that at the moment we don't have that luxury.
You say have faith, I do but not blind faith.'"
John,I'm not sure what we will get next year for finishing 4th but it must be a great deal more than last year , I think RM will be very frugal with his spending and go for a few quality signings which would enable us to go full time,I realise it's a long shot but maybe a risk worth taking, as London seem to be gone,maybe along with Fev leaving only Bradford and Leigh to aim at ,and if they don't get into SL who knows what will happen, I've a feeling Deggsy at Leigh might short circuit if Leigh don't do as he expected.
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| Watching the CC final today for me emphasized the gulf in class we see between Champs clubs and the top flight. Thinking back to when Fax were up there, we had a real shot at Leeds, Wigan and Saints etc and it is heartbreaking to be exiled from it, especially when confronted with the "what league are Fax in" etc which makes my blood boil.
I share Mr Jagger's view TBH because being cautious is NOT going to put us into realistic competition with the likes of Leeds. Remember we have hammered them in the not too distant past (dependent upon how old you are) 42-0 for example. What is so different now?
Do we REALLY NOT have the interest anymore in the numbers we need? I must admit that the cost to take my family to every home game is just too much although the free junior tickets will help.
It would be great to know what we need to do because clearly it is not just money - look at Salford.
The belief and coverage Leeds had today really did turn me utterly green with envy - I have to be honest.
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| Mr Jagger, encouraged, I repeat where is the money for us to go full time next year?
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| Where is the money going to be for us to go full time the year after, or the year after that? Next year we have the top four money. If we fail to get into the top four next year we are back to square one. It is fine planning for the future and developing the youth, but we all know that any decent players will be picked up by SL or a full time team as soon as they show promise. Shouldn't we be capitalising on the increase in money we have next year and go full time to give us the best shot at repeating this years top four finish and get some proper money for SL? One year of increased money is not going to turn the club into a SL club, two/three years of increased money may well do that.
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| Quote: Nat (Rugby_Aholic) "Where is the money going to be for us to go full time the year after, or the year after that? Next year we have the top four money. If we fail to get into the top four next year we are back to square one. It is fine planning for the future and developing the youth, but we all know that any decent players will be picked up by SL or a full time team as soon as they show promise. Shouldn't we be capitalising on the increase in money we have next ythisear and go full time to give us the best shot at repeating this years top four finish and get some proper money for SL? One year of increased money is not going to turn the club into a SL club, two/three years of increased money may well do that.'"
This is exactly what I'm saying,if we don't keep up we WILL be left behind then it's back to being an also ran team, next year we will have a chance don't waste the chance.
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| Quote: halifaxjohn "Mr Jagger, encouraged, I repeat where is the money for us to go full time next year?'"
John my friend you ask where the money is coming from?Its simple the increased money for finishing in a top 4 spot,we must use it otherwise it's pointless trying ,Leigh and Bradford will use theirs we have a chance to compete, I think London and Fev will struggle next year we must take advantage , maybe the year after go for gold.
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