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| My opinion is that normally "No" but circumstances may dictate things that many of us dont want. We dont have the Money that others have and Richard Marshall doesnt really have too much room to bring in his own Players this season as all of the signings, bar I think one, have been made with Karl Harrison. Richard may feel he Needs a certain Player to help the Team Play his way. From what a number of People tell me about RM he is somebody that doesnt just make decisions without thinking things through and is somebody that will spend hours looking at Videos and other things to help make his judgement on things. RM is a way better Coach than any of us and is highly regarded within the game and we are lucky to get somebody of his calibre speaking to People who are involved at top end of the game. Before we start judging People including the board we maybe Need to think why a decision- whether it be signing a DR or other things- has been made rather than just having a go.
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| The fax in Asia and the lucky black cat, superb comments thank you very much, seems our thoughts are very much alike.
None of this "if we do I'm finished" let's leave an open mind and judge what happened with the explanation we are given.
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| Quote: The Lucky Black Cat "My opinion is that normally "No" but circumstances may dictate things that many of us dont want. We dont have the Money that others have and Richard Marshall doesnt really have too much room to bring in his own Players this season as all of the signings, bar I think one, have been made with Karl Harrison. Richard may feel he Needs a certain Player to help the Team Play his way. From what a number of People tell me about RM he is somebody that doesnt just make decisions without thinking things through and is somebody that will spend hours looking at Videos and other things to help make his judgement on things. RM is a way better Coach than any of us and is highly regarded within the game and we are lucky to get somebody of his calibre speaking to People who are involved at top end of the game. Before we start judging People including the board we maybe Need to think why a decision- whether it be signing a DR or other things- has been made rather than just having a go.'"
If he needs a certain player then DR is not the way to achieve that, it would have to be a loan otherwise the required player could be off after 2 games. The loan system is fine as it gives you a specific time period within in which to work.
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Eat All, Sup All, Pay Nowt.
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| Dual Registration.....My view.
DR is not there to help lower league teams, it's there to benefit SL clubs, no matter what people may say.
I don't want to spend my hard earned brass on watching some other clubs player turning out for Fax to get fit/have game time for his own club.
I would like to think that we are above having a parent club, Mr Poskitts own words. We are Halifax RLFC. We aren't some pit village in Wakefield or Wigan. What an insult to our history and pride it would be to go DR under some other club.
As for walking away from the club, it would not be my club, it would not be Fax.
Everyone has the right to choose, but if we went down the DR route I personally don't think that I would have a choice to make, it would have been made for me by people who haven't been at Fax for a fraction of the time me and my family have supported the club.
Up The Fax.
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| Quote: Hudd-Shay "Dual Registration.....My view.
DR is not there to help lower league teams, it's there to benefit SL clubs, no matter what people may say.
I don't want to spend my hard earned brass on watching some other clubs player turning out for Fax to get fit/have game time for his own club.
I would like to think that we are above having a parent club, Mr Poskitts own words. We are Halifax RLFC. We aren't some pit village in Wakefield or Wigan. What an insult to our history and pride it would be to go DR under some other club.
As for walking away from the club, it would not be my club, it would not be Fax.
Everyone has the right to choose, but if we went down the DR route I personally don't think that I would have a choice to make, it would have been made for me by people who haven't been at Fax for a fraction of the time me and my family have supported the club.
Up The Fax.'"
I agree with you Pete as you know,but i would never walk away and neither should you.
I am not against us being the parent club in a DR system,that may be hypercritical.What's your view on this ?
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| Quote: mr t hall "I agree with you Pete as you know,but i would never walk away and neither should you.
I am not against us being the parent club in a DR system,that may be hypercritical.What's your view on this ?'"
My view is we shouldn't do that either. By going DR you are doing SL/RFL's dirty work for them. Remember, DR was originally, for one reason at least, brought in when SL axed reserve teams and SL clubs used the peasants to give game time to fringe players and players coming back from injury. Never!
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| Quote: Hudd-Shay "My view is we shouldn't do that either. By going DR you are doing SL/RFL's dirty work for them. Remember, DR was originally, for one reason at least, brought in when SL axed reserve teams and SL clubs used the peasants to give game time to fringe players and players coming back from injury. Never!'"
Also thinking how does this help a team to work on and build a proper gameplan if you are dropping different players in each week? Oh hang in, it'll be like Fax under KH, no continuity, something that was much bemoaned on this forum last season.
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| It' can't be good for team spirit. Player A prepareds for a game during the week, RM gets a phone call on the Thursday that HKR want us to give Player X game time, he can of course say no but that risks damaging the relationship with HKR. Player A gets told after training on Thursday that he won't be featuring, won't be up for a win bonus because someone is being shipped in from outside.
An emphatic no from me. Lets just do the best we can and build organically, if it takes us time so be it.
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| Quote: FoxyDread "It' can't be good for team spirit. Player A prepareds for a game during the week, RM gets a phone call on the Thursday that HKR want us to give Player X game time, he can of course say no but that risks damaging the relationship with HKR. Player A gets told after training on Thursday that he won't be featuring, won't be up for a win bonus because someone is being shipped in from outside.
An emphatic no from me. Lets just do the best we can and build organically, if it takes us time so be it.'" Exactly. Spot on.
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| Quote: FoxyDread "It' can't be good for team spirit. Player A prepareds for a game during the week, RM gets a phone call on the Thursday that HKR want us to give Player X game time, he can of course say no but that risks damaging the relationship with HKR.....'"
You'd be lucky to get the call as early as Thursday. Unless it was for a Friday night game.
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| I think it seems a bit odd that there are folks on here who say Duel Reg is OK if we are the lead club but not if were D/R with a super league club.
I think if we do go down that route either as lead club or not out BOD and coaching staff will have thought long and hard about how to manage it and Im sure will have ground rules set out for the other club as to how HRLFC want and expect it to work.
Last season was new to D/R and maybe it just wasn't used/legislated well enough or abused by clubs instead of it being used for the good intent of progressing promising young Super League fringe players. HRLFC has had time to look at how other clubs faired last season and we will be in a better possession to manage the D/R system should we decide to use it.
Watching FaxTV and listening to RM I'm very impressed by how articulated and clearly he answers the questions put to him. He comes over as a chap who calmly speaks with well thought out answers about his job which is his passion about.
I think he will be a great coach and front man for the club (lets hope we get lots of positive RL media coverage young British coach etc). I'm very excited about 2015 and feel the club is moving in the direction we all crave. Well done Fax and bring on the season.
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| Quote: Faxlore "I think it seems a bit odd that there are folks on here who say Duel Reg is OK if we are the lead club but not if were D/R with a super league club.
I think if we do go down that route either as lead club or not out BOD and coaching staff will have thought long and hard about how to manage it and Im sure will have ground rules set out for the other club as to how HRLFC want and expect it to work.
Last season was new to D/R and maybe it just wasn't used/legislated well enough or abused by clubs instead of it being used for the good intent of progressing promising young Super League fringe players. HRLFC has had time to look at how other clubs faired last season and we will be in a better possession to manage the D/R system should we decide to use it.
Watching FaxTV and listening to RM I'm very impressed by how articulated and clearly he answers the questions put to him. He comes over as a chap who calmly speaks with well thought out answers about his job which is his passion about.
I think he will be a great coach and front man for the club (lets hope we get lots of positive RL media coverage young British coach etc). I'm very excited about 2015 and feel the club is moving in the direction we all crave. Well done Fax and bring on the season.'"
A good post and i share your enthusiasm for 2015.Just your initial point.Why is it odd that i for one am against DR as a feeder club but not as a parent club.DR with a s/l club has been done on this thread but as the parent club we would be able to send out our players who aren't to feature in our matchday 17 for proper game time and can be called back whenever we want.What is the downside to this,i can't see one.
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| Quote: mr t hall "A good post and i share your enthusiasm for 2015.Just your initial point.Why is it odd that i for one am against DR as a feeder club but not as a parent club.DR with a s/l club has been done on this thread but as the parent club we would be able to send out our players who aren't to feature in our matchday 17 for proper game time and can be called back whenever we want.What is the downside to this,i can't see one.'"
I didn't say there was and up or down side to either side of D/R. I was pointing out that folk are happy to be the master and not the slave. I'm not saying your views and thoughts are wrong. People don't like the idea of Fax being used by another club for that clubs benefit. So, how do they justify feeling OK about using a lower division for our own use. I'm sure supporters of that club wouldn't like it. I think we should have loans, short term, long term whatever but not D/R. just my view
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| Quote: Faxlore "I think it seems a bit odd that there are folks on here who say Duel Reg is OK if we are the lead club but not if were D/R with a super league club.
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I'm no fan of Dual Registration but Duel Registration would be awesome.
Imagine the crowds to watch the two coaches with pistols at ten paces, the winner to have the player in his squad that weekend.
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| Quote: griff1998 "I'm no fan of Dual Registration but Duel Registration would be awesome.
Imagine the crowds to watch the two coaches with pistols at ten paces, the winner to have the player in his squad that weekend.
Great idea Gregg, but, some people would still moan, your coach was a 47 seater and ours was only 13.
Your paces are larger than out paces.
I can hear them now, I'm never going to watch my team if they bring in Duel Registration, after all I said I would never watch Summer Rugby, never watch if we left Thrum Hall and as for decimalisation I said that would never work.
Mmmmmm.
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