You miss Ben Black too much.

Its as simple as that for me, it was commented on many times by Widnes fans last week that if you were to take Ben Black out of your team you would become quiet ordinary. Im not going to join the stupid slanging matches about Webster/Black, i would take black in a heartbeat. Reminds me this season of what Webster did to Widnes in Hull KR's promotion season.

But without him?

If Black stays fit you have a damned good chance to win this division, If he picks up and injury i dont see you making the final. And this is not intended as a daft dig, i was shocked when i saw Gateshead racking up points without reply from Fax. I came here, noted Black was missing and had a feeling you wouldnt be able to claw it back. ( you did better than i expected to be fair )

I wouldnt say it was meltdown yet but anything but a win next week against Leigh? and you should probably get concerned.

christ we've only lost 2 games you'd think we were now in mid table can concentrate fully on the league from now on, always thought today was going to be tough anyway.

Its not about the league position its about confidence, before your coach declared you " the best team outside of SL by a Country mile" or words to that extent. I didnt see you as getting beaten by anyone, you looked stronger, faster and more confident than any other team i had watched. As the defeats mount you lose confidence, which is one of the main ingredients of a outstanding team. Not only that but now your the Team to beat in this division and you are marked as the big game for the small clubs.

I still think you will Win the GF, but im no where near as confident as i was 5 weeks ago.

you wouldnt have thought that after half time once our players had woken up

We shouldn't have been in a position to need to come back from 32 nil down.

maybe not but we were and we came back further than i think any other team in the league would have.

I fully agree with this I really wanted us to make the final at Blackpool and was biterly disapointed we missed out again. Hope you guys enjoy Blackpool.
As for Todays game the 1st half was the worst ive seen in 19 years of following Fax, However lets look at the positives We came back to get a bonus point which Barrow didnt manage so we are now top of the league by a point with a game in hand so we have the chance to bounce back with lttle damage done. We just cant seem to get over the hangovers from the big cup games.

At least you're not going down.

I'm sure you're right and Matt needs applauding for spotting not only where they were making their points, but also their weakness for us to be able to break through.

Although he didnt drop passes or missed tackles , I think MC must take some of the blame for yesterdays loss.Why did he play only one prop in the starting 13 , and just one on the bench.You need the big uns . Especially in the first half we had no go forward whatsoever , no power at all,Poor Larder who came off after 20mins looked shattered,He didnt come back on until the last 10mins and that is not normally like him.
Our early success this season was based on 2 props starting ,ieJames and Wilson and thenbringing on Said and Frank - we have to go back to that situation.We we bossed about by Widnes , we were bossed about yesterday and if not careful we will be bossed about on Friday

Starting to remind me of last season. Play half as bad as we did yesterday and there will be losses at Sheffield, Toulouse, and Widnes and thats without taking in to account travelling to Batley and Leigh. Realistically at the moment i can see us finishing 3rd or 4th unless other teams trip up as well.
The first half yesterday was pathetic, just pathetic. Looked like we turned up thinking it was a game of tag we would win easily. Lots of players not wanting to do the hard work. On that evidence there can still be a lot of improvements made to the team for next season. Id start with a centre, standoff and once again about 3 props.

That is exactly what will happen. Other teams are going to lose as well. The betting form has gone out of the window (Donny apart).

Matt James for me is the best prop at the club. He will always work hard even when others look like there not bothered.
Lets not forget that we have without doubt the best squad in this league which was proved by the start to the season, and in my opinion the form had dropped since contract negotiations started and players started to sign for next term. So what dose that mean ? A. The players with the new contracts have relaxed. B. The players without new deals are upset ?
Whatever it is it needs sorting cos this season on yesterdays showing will peter out with a whimper!