Er..... There are no anti rl chants at the football. As someone who was born and raised in Australia, i sPent most of my life watching league( bulldogs fan), but playing football. I even attended the infamous 76-0 drubbing to the broncos. However Im also an avid shaymen, and they were the main reason I moved to Halifax from oz.

Having attended both teams games, and hearing things around the traps. I have always felt an arrogance been shown from the rugby club. This is just a personal opinion. It's something I could go into if probed. But just wanted to post a relatively impartial view. Dismiss me as another football idiot if you want, but just want to post another view out there.

I heard it from a very reliable source...

The sport is boring as hell, the players a set of soft diving girls and is so overhyped. Its simply not for me. I used to watch the results of the soccer lot even if not follow them. Each to their own type stuff.However the comments by Mr Butlers son and his Soccer crew over the past few years anger me not just because of the nastyness but because its full of lies and slander. They have never looked to accept that Fax share the ground and that both clubs needed it. Certain things have been done by both Fax and Town which maybe should have been better done or not at all. But its the constant bitching and lieing and making very slanderous comments with no proof except a reliable source etc that has pushed me personally to the point I hope the Soccer club fail. The personal attacks on Roger Harvey for example is a disgrace just because he chooses to back Fax and sponsor various things at the Shay and elsewhere. Mr Harvey is a outstanding model citizen and has done great things not just for Fax but for the town as a whole. I think Fax should keep well away from the soccer lot as its just not worth the hassle. There are things the club can do together regarding the Council/Shay but apart from that forget it. Halifax Town will always be a small semi Pro side that play before a couple of thousand people at best. A large number of fans will still look down and cause problems with their attitude and behaviour towards us. The ills of the soccer lot is always down to Fax. The state of the pitch-though its always around the goalmouth area where the Grass is missing and the sliding tackles etc do not damage the pitch do they when its wet!

Mr Butler I respect what you have written and some of it I agree with other bits not. But seriously you need to sort your son out and he needs to see he is one of the chief reasons there is so much bad blood and why I hate the Soccer club and hope they fail. Its bad enough allowing and putting things on the Town Supporters forum. But then to come on here and just basically post aiming at causing further problems between the two sets of fans is a disgrace. Sorry but for me your son is an idiot for what he does and maybe you should look to him and his lot over on the Town messageboard to stop posting such libelous and poisonous things with the sole intention to cause friction before coming on here. As for me Halifax Town can rot. I will never want them to do well. My family do not come from the town anyway so they have little connection. I was brought up on RL and following Fax as well as the Basketball team. Just because a team comes from where I was born does not mean I should feel I have to follow them or wish them luck especially when the fans verbally and physically abuse Rugby fans. I was once spat on for wearing a Fax top as a teenager.

I wont dismiss you. I have never been to a FC Halifax game in my life. But I have been to hundreds of games of rugby league. I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I have never heard a bad word (at the ground) said / chanted about the football club. The only place I have ever seen any bad feeling is on this message board and on the Halifax Evening Courier site, where some absolute tripe is spouted.

They are absolutely entitled to their opinions, but they should just keep them on their own message boards.

I have a lot of friends who are AFC Halifax fans who can't stand Halifax RL but strangely I can't think of any friends who are rugby fans disliking AFC Halifax. However I can think of several RL fans who think football is a less entertaining sport than RL.

I believe a lot of the arrogance you refer to could be better described as apathy.

I also think there have been a lot of accusations from football fans over things like 'rent' which doesn't help things.

One thing is for certain - the Shay in its current form is a lot better ground than it was 12 years ago and couldn't have been done without some element of the two teams, stadium trust and council working together. I say bravo to all concerned.

What constantly dissapoints me is the relatively low turn out both teams are able to generate from a town with over 100,000 population. I know so many people who are willing to pretend to be life long Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool etc etc fans who have never been within a sniff of the respective stadiums. Likewise with Super League. I can't stand seeing people in Bulls, Rhinos, Hudds shirts in and around town as 15 years ago - this would just not happen.

In fact - apathy is good word all round. Probably sums up the vast majority of the towns population. Happy to whinge about things but not happy to get involved and make a difference.

In fact - having seen the message board for AFC Halifax for the first time it's quite funny.

It appears we spend all our time hanging pictures in the east stand, selling RL shirts to Town fans, not paying rent and making up crowd figures (and only one of those is true).

At least Geoff Butler has posted the same message on that site - a few of their fans on the site at least appear to want to build bridges but far too many will knock it down immediately.

Don't think that's just limited to the football fans.

Can't see why someone would make up the story about the shirt.

"Withholding" of rent was substantially reported.

The Batley crowd figure was CLEARLY overinflated.

Putting up pictures? No idea.

I make that 3 out of 4.

The Halifax RLFC Past Players Association have relocated the Halifax Hall of Fame to the Wall opposite the bar in the Harvey Suite. Town fans have taken great exception to this and many feel it has been done to spite the football club and is the rugby club flexing its muscles!!!!

Really??? How childish does this have to get, we have a proud heritage and history that the whole town should be proud of and if Town have a Hall of Fame why can't they go side by side??

Many Town fans though would have you believe Fax have committed the biggest sin outside of the ten commandments!!

Good point but why is that far more Town fans despise Fax than the other way round?

As for 1 out of 4 or 3 out of 4 - it's all down to how picky you want to be really. Tickets sold/given away. Rent being withheld reasonably (or not - I don't know the full picture. Does anyone?).

Because when the football club were kicked out of the Conference the rugby club (club, not fans) (though probably fans as well) were only too happy to take the ground for their own, a ground which had, for 80 or so years belonged to the football club.

Am I the only one who doesn't know about this? Is this really the case?

And Halifax Town treated Fax like the pest when theyx moved from Thrum Hall. Locking doors and hiding keys. Turning the water off etc. Halifax Town are far from innocent how they have treated Fax at the Shay.

The Rugby fans will still hate the Wendyballers as you say it

and the football fans will hate the Egg chasers,

some people just dont like the other sport theres nothing wrong with that

and move on, i'f have locked this thread if i was a mod [sizehint hint[/size

belonged? sold to council, bought back sold etc?