I don't think Widnes got out of 2nd gear today and still won comfortably. Craven and Mellor have both been out injured for a few mths and a few more games partnership they will be much better. Got to admit Betts is a rubbish coach and I have wanted him gone for years. He should play Danny Walker at hooker over Johnstone and you would see quicker play around the ruck.

Don't think the team should be too down-beat after yesterday, it just didn't click on the day. Widnes were clinical and took their chances, and just didn't give us a sniff that first half. They looked nervous and if we had scored first who knows.

Poor crowd, we've got a bit unlucky with the teams we've got at home. Fev at home likely to be bigger crowd than two super league teams!

From what I have seen of Widnes this year that is about the best you have got, Im not sure there is a 3rd gear let alone 4th. Luckily Leigh losing to KR should save you from the MPG.

I would not be too sure of that, they have to play both KR and Leigh, the Leigh game could be massive for both of them and I think it's at Leigh, and do they have Catalan always as well?

Could be Leigh V Widnes then as I would expect Hull KR to beat them. If I had a choice I think Id rather Leigh came down simply because of their better following. Saying that Catalans could still slip up.

The team gave their all today they never gave up - but Widnes's full time fitness and the fact that they were sharper than us told in the end - it demonstrated just how much money you would need to be competitive in Super League as well -they have spent £1.5 million on their squad and they finished bottom!!

Fax would need £2-3 Mn to get up and stay in SL IMO - shows the chasm that exists between SL and the Championship.

Good to see Barry Mcdermott chatting to fans in carpark before game

I'd like to see Leigh stop up and another SL team come down purely to stop the RFL dismissing the whole 8's idea as a failure because of the yo-yo effect.
Also, on Widnes's 1.5 million, perhaps they should have spent some of it on a new coach.

I listened to the first half on the bbc feed (lacs radio, not biased in any way!) . It did seem as though Fax gave away easy yards with silly penalties, as has been said you cannot defend all day.
Fax recent results seemed to come from discipline and low penalties against, or is this the difference between the leagues, was the ref s/l or championship?
Not down and out yet but again the gulf is widening between the leagues, and without serious investment the championship is where Fax unfortunately will be for the foreseeable future.

Couldn't fault our effort, and spirit, we kept trying all the way.
Widnes were very good for the first 50-60 mins and gave us nothing.
A couple of things that didn't go our way could have made it interesting or closer, i.e the one against the head, the nearly tries, and the odd pass that didn't stick.
All in all, no complaints, Widnes should be safe, along with Wire, its between The Dragons, Hull KR and Leigh for the other spots, but London may still surprise a few.
Good comp this year.
P.s very impressed with Brandon Moore, maturing quickly, and I would say our number one choice 9.

Hope we get another year or two out of him before his obvious destiny of super league.

With us or do we have no ambition whatsoever? I'm not getting any younger!

Probably tough to back up from the effort at HKR the week before for a part time team.
We went into the eights busted after a massive end of the regular season effort.
Hope we don't implode at Warrington as the new levels of intensity of these games start to mount up, and the Wire will be another step up in class.

I think you will find many Viking fans who would echo the "new coach" bit but they have not spent anything like £1.5m on players, if only.

I was only going off previous posts on the £1.5 million, though if you had you would be very disappointed I'd guess.