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Quote: terry silver "Do you know if we missed out because Donny offered more money or was it another reason.'"

In the last week two independent people have said that Briscoe was targeted to replace Walmsley but we had missed out, no reason was given.

Likewise two sources have said Wombat on his return has told the club he no longer wants to stay, Wakefield made an offer, Fax asked for more and unless an agreement can be reached it’s going to tribunal.

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If the rumour about signing Connor Davies is true, not sure what logic is being applied other than cost. Listed by Dewsbury as a hooker; from memory of his time at Fax he wasn't really big enough for any other position in the forwards.
So looks at the moment that even with a smaller squad we'd be running with 4 hookers, when we've still got the 3 hookers we couldn't keep happy last year. No insight into who's responsible for recruitment at the club but while obviously early days the plan at the moment appears to be letting players go where we have little or no cover and signing others where we're relatively strong. Really hoping for some positive news soon - in recent years the off season has probably been the most exciting part of the year - perhaps we're just trying to reverse this!

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Quote: terry silver "Have you heard who we will be DR with next year.'"


Not heard anything Terry but I guess its a forgone conclusion that we will have to go down that route again.

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Quote: faxcar "
Likewise two sources have said Wombat on his return has told the club he no longer wants to stay, Wakefield made an offer, Fax asked for more and unless an agreement can be reached it’s going to tribunal.'"


Its playing out exactly as I expected it to. As soon as Wakey refused to pay the original fee it was always going down this route, Fax now have to take less than they wanted or go to tribunal and get screwed over. It was always going to be a bad situation for us and Walmsley sleep walked straight in to Wakefields plan. I don't blame him for wanting to go full time the way he has gone about it though is poor form.

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We will get some announcements this week regards new signings but this was never going to be the season where Finn could put his own stamp on the squad, a lot of the business had already been done and now these players are coming available we simply do not have the money to bring them in.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "Its playing out exactly as I expected it to. As soon as Wakey refused to pay the original fee it was always going down this route, Fax now have to take less than they wanted or go to tribunal and get screwed over. It was always going to be a bad situation for us and Walmsley sleep walked straight in to Wakefields plan. I don't blame him for wanting to go full time the way he has gone about it though is poor form.'"

Wakefield refusing to pay the original fee is not what I have heard and the amount of their last offer and what Fax have asked for isn’t a couple of grand either.

I don’t agree with your thinking on how Fax are going to get screwed over at a tribunal either based on the following reasoning.

1.) You have to be a SL club to trigger the release clause of the contract.
2.) Any club deemed to be in SL must pay at least the amount recorded on the contract.
Both are part of the contract, you can’t have one without the other.

That’s what the rule involved states in black and white and is legally binding on all parties including the clubs and the RFL.

How and why would a rugby league tribunal panel vote against it’s own rules in this setting just to favour Wakefield and screw another club.

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Looking at the first page on this topic and the contract lengths, there was no way Finn was going to be able to do a full clear out. The costs of paying up those contracts would be massive to the club and as we all know the club is skint.

To be fair they’ve probably done well to move Maher on. The original statement from the club on him leaving was below the belt though. No need to publicly berate him for poor performances. Plenty of other players were below par last year.

Larroyer was the last player to be retained so maybe some new signings will trickle through now.

Although I can’t see there being that many and it looks like we are going with the same pack that was rolled on several occasions last year sadly.

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Quote: terry silver "Have you heard who we will be DR with next year.'"


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Quote: faxcar "In the last week two independent people have said that Briscoe was targeted to replace Walmsley but we had missed out, no reason was given.

Likewise two sources have said Wombat on his return has told the club he no longer wants to stay, Wakefield made an offer, Fax asked for more and unless an agreement can be reached it’s going to tribunal.'"


Heard the same on this.

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Also heard that the club with the finances they have are trying to get the balancing act right between being competitive on the field (because they know if we’re not then the crowds will drop) and between trying to make progress on the other IMG pillocks requirements, sorry meant pillars ( because they know if they don’t it’s the no ambition and as is forever scenario.)

Great choices er not, because they can’t do both.

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Quote: MP "To be fair they’ve probably done well to move Maher on. The original statement from the club on him leaving was below the belt though. No need to publicly berate him for poor performances. Plenty of other players were below par last year.'"


I thought the same. Was extremely harsh. Yes, he didn't perform as expected on the pitch however he did put in a hell of a lot of work on the community side of things. To openly scold him in an official club statement was tinpot.

Also - Bradford announcing John Davies at 9am this morning. Another quality player going to a rival. Deflating.

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Quote: faxcar "Wakefield refusing to pay the original fee is not what I have heard and the amount of their last offer and what Fax have asked for isn’t a couple of grand either.

I don’t agree with your thinking on how Fax are going to get screwed over at a tribunal either based on the following reasoning.

1.) You have to be a SL club to trigger the release clause of the contract.
2.) Any club deemed to be in SL must pay at least the amount recorded on the contract.
Both are part of the contract, you can’t have one without the other.

That’s what the rule involved states in black and white and is legally binding on all parties including the clubs and the RFL.

How and why would a rugby league tribunal panel vote against it’s own rules in this setting just to favour Wakefield and screw another club.'"


The way you have wrote it there would be even worse for Fax as they have broke Walmsley's contract by not accepting an offer from a SL club that matches the release clause. This is as clear cut as it comes and Wakfield were officially a SL club until the season finishes which is at least until the Grand Final but the official date is more than likely to be when the contracts run out on the 31st of October.

It is irrelevant that their relegation had been confirmed unless there is a sub clause in the contract, which there will not be for something as specific as this, the best Fax could hope for in playing that card is some ambiguous wording but again these things like you say are pretty clear cut. I don't expect it to play out like that but if it did Fax have made a huge mistake that will cost the club.

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Quote: faxcar "Also heard that the club with the finances they have are trying to get the balancing act right between being competitive on the field (because they know if we’re not then the crowds will drop) and between trying to make progress on the other IMG pillocks requirements, sorry meant pillars ( because they know if they don’t it’s the no ambition and as is forever scenario.)

Great choices er not, because they can’t do both.'"


The big question is are they living up to the promises made originally? If they were then our IMG rating for finances would be higher than it is. I don't trust the arguing going on in the Facebook group between current shareholders and current board members as its never that clear cut but the breakdown on the IMG rating is and I am really surprised that more questions have not been asked of it. For the other gradings its going to be pretty hard for us to get more points than we have so in that sense the club is actually in pretty good shape compared to a few others.

Personally I think we take Batley's lead and accept we are not meant to get out of this division with the new system but try we concentrate on where the game is really played which is on the field and look to be consistantly near the top of the table until the rules change again.

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Greg Wrote:


"The big question is are they living up to the promises made originally? If they were then our IMG rating for finances would be higher than it is."

The present board took over in October 2022 and I don`t think that any accounts will have been compiled since they did.
Also i think i read somewhere on here that the IMG finacial basis was based on dates before the new board took over. To say they have not kept to promises is I think unsubstantiated , unless someone knows better.

I too am underwhelmed with the recruits , so far....

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