Just watching the game,showing on Setanta under e guise of Cas v Hudd!
As good a winger as Salty is he got beaten too easily. I was surprised Widnes did not target him more. All too often our other defenders were found lacking in closing down the man and allowed lay offs. Do fax need a tackle coach?
Had the first try not been disallowed could have been a different game, but all too often ran out of ideas , seems as though scared to get over the whitewash, going for one man glory and not looking for an opening. Overall full time pro fitness showed the difference. Overall I do not think The Fax were embarrassed.

Here, here!

All I could hear was sky going on about Danny Walker totally ignoring Moore, who I also thought was our best player, and totally ignoring him for the MOM picks. He would be doing 80 minutes for me, I see no need for an interchange hooker at this level especially as we normally end up with both on the park later in games and one acting as a second rower.

I wouldn't say we need a tackle coach as our defence is very effective at Championship level but not suited for SL opposition. There's nothing really wrong with that but our problems like you mention are our inability to score infact I would go as far to say we look below average when we get in the oppositions half but it all comes back to our skill levels and when you have key positions who can't give out a good pass your attack is always going to look rushed.

Having had time to reflect on yesterday's performance we all saw what we have seen most of the season and also something from last weeks game again, to be honest. Masses of endeavour and spirit. The difference is we are not as efficient in speed of thought,decision making, and execution than our SL opponents. Last weeks left edge D took a battering with Hall strolling in for 4 tries. Yesterday we saw the same with a quality right edge from Widnes who were too big and too strong for our boys.
When we make mistakes at Championship level we often get away with it. But at SL level you get punished and we have done throughout these 8's-something we need to learn from quickly.
We need a couple of 'class' players in key positions in the spine of the team and we will move onwards and upwards.(look what a difference QLT made in 5 games) We also need to keep hold of the likes of Moore and Butler who are only going to get better and better.

I just don't go with all this coaching-bollox about defence wins matches. I accept it helps you to win but scoring points and try's is how you win a rugby match and the bottom line is that only when we had QLT did we look like a team that were able to score with relative ease. Without him we stutter towards the opposition line I think our defence is pretty good although personally a winger should be instructed and encouraged werever possible to hold the outside line of his opposite number and not cut inside always leaving the long pass option. Myler will have a field day on Saltys side if he does that next week . Let the take responsibility for his man trust him and stay out on your wing. Salty to be fair looks fitter than he has been for some considerable time certainly the start of the season and still has quick feet to beat a man and gain the hard yards out of defence.

JensenFF not getting into a pi$$ing game about defence v attack both are important, however if you ship more than you score ...
I do agree the winger must stay on the outside and only let the opposition have the touch line, if you get done then and you did your job no one can fault you. After all that is Salty physically strong enough to compete with full time athletes ?

The tactic is fine and its how most people are coached nowadays it just makes you look daft when it is done wrong time and time again. A centre is going to defend easier like that than sticking one on one with their opposition number. The problem is the onus is on the winger to get the timing right, hopefully we see an improvement in that area next season with Robinson in.

Where was Moss yesterday?

Im a massive Fax fan and have been for over 40 years so this is not a negative. Our team and squad are not good enough for SL and playing a team like Widnes, however bad they are in SL, will beat us. If our players were SL they would be playing SL. We are a Semi-pro time team. made the play offs in 4th with 3 full time teams above us and beat Leigh to 4th. We have a squad of lads who play their hearts out for Fax. Yes we need to recruit and need a bit more bulk/speed/skills from somewhere but these lad and the coaching team deserve applause for what they have done this season.

Fax lore, no one is arguing with you about the players skills, and their commitment to Fax, some of the squad could be ull time if given the opportunity,but for many that is not a viable option due to career choices.
If as other people say we keep making the same errors week after week, then there is something wrong with the basics.
As long as we accept we are the best part time tean in theChampionship no one can ask for more until we are in a position to once again be in a contender for S L

Last time we played them was in SL in 2003. Anyone remember the score?

We played them at Home on the 28th March Leeds winning 20-14
HX Scorers Donlan & Dane Dorahy Tries,Dorahy 3 Gls.
Att 4073

We matched them in a number of areas on Saturday but in the end it was down to the class of Inu, who probably cost them a short much as at least half of our squad if not more. Next season they will struggle due to the financial constraints and a number of players who won’t want to play in the Championship.

Oh and the Sky commentators talked utter e, bagging up an Widnes player should and totally ignoring anything shown by Fax other than Flemings hits.

Crowd predictions Sunday any idea how many away tickets sold?