They are probably not used to so many visiting supporters singing along under such disappointing circumstances. I thought it was really good for the fans to behave in this way after so many negative threads about them recently.

Message to the Widnes fans....get rid of the drummer, then we could have a chance to hear your lyrical prowess for terrace singalongs.

Although I agree, the other end of the North stand was bouncing tonight.

imo u cant tell whose the better coach until grand final day, thats the biggy. But 2 say cullen has more money is just stupid, for 1 he inherited the majority of that team and 2 rumour has it that penky, gleeson, goddard, black, shad, beswick are on mega bucks 4 this level. But im not saying that the likes of webster and a few others arent either at widnes.

still 2-2 this season though in the meetings. should be good in the play offs the decider.

It's funny that, 'cos the group I was with said the same thing more or less to Faxlad66 and his mates about some of the smellies lacking their well known sense of humour. They wanted to give us the bird all the match but didn't expect any of it back 'cos we were losing.
Having said that, they must have a sense of humour to continue living there....

Although I couldn't make it over last night, I fear that the momentum has indeed shifted towards Widnes and fair play to them.

I must continue to say though, when we are underconfident, we need that STAND OFF even more than ever. How we expect to win this league with our hot-potch formations of (undoubtedly skillful and talented) half backs goodness only knows. The pack needs to know we have a focused rugby brain at first receiver each time knowing we will go forward at the right time and in the right areas.

Not a criticism as such but Mr Calland, is there really no option available to fill this absolutely critical role? Comments like 'play such-and-such at stand-off' are well intended I have no doubt, but if we are to win this league and beat an emerging Widnes team, we need to get a grip and more importantly, some direction and marshalling on the pitch.

Who do you need Mr Calland and how do you intend to get him? Nobody will be put out or offended by bringing in such a man as it is absolutely a pre-requisite. It's gonna be a rough ride if not.

Sorry, moan over.

NO Holly wouldn't have been effective 'cos we didn't complete our sets or gain field for his kicking game to take effect and threaten the opposition. They would have targeted his defence, I was quite surprised that they only scored 42 points, they even kicked their last two penalties, they beat us in every dept apart from James Haley, he was magnificent in defence, he scored two tries and retrieved three short kick offs which they couldn't combat.
Holly wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the positive last night . On the other hand, I think Govin when fit is a good enough stand off to fit into our play, I presume he's injured.

But by then your players will actually be able to understand PC s instructions and you will be back to playing crap like Wire

It'll be ' Cullen out ' by then

On fans there was great banter and laughing songs etc, but was at other end of stand from Fax fans, so you wouldn't of got a word of it

On main topic!

To me and a few it simply seem's Calland has no plan B whatsoever! Proved by the fact that Tamghart and Watene were just left out there despite being smashed every run, seems as if Calland was simplyhoping that their usual impac would come but nothing changed at all!

Your plan A is great don't get me wrong, but now people can defend it! Where's the plan B?

Plan B is in place and it's a cunning one..................

Purposely show weakness by loss of form.
Scrape through to the GF by purposely putting in below par performances.
Revert back to Plan A - game tactics played from February to May.
Blow the Mutants away in the final.

Clever man that Calland.