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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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| Quote: littlerich "We decided to ditch our academy round about the same time as your club went bust. Which do you think will stick most in the minds of the RFL?
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The academy situation will have no massive influence in the next round of Franchises for teams outside SL
What will be the most relevant is attendances
With Salford and Celtic not posting good crowds figures and Quins not getting anywhere I cannot see the RFL wanting any more poorly supported clubs in
They know Toulouse will be able to pull crowds quite simply because of the size of the place
That is why I feel Widnes will have the ace up the sleeve , as long as their crowds dont drop because they are crap 
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| Quote: Starbug "That is why I feel Widnes will have the ace up the sleeve , as long as their crowds dont drop because they are crap ![]()
........and indeed, as long as they win an NRC trophy or appear in a GF. At the moment, they can't win a WI raffle. Next year they'll have to pull out all the stops otherwise i can see panic buttons being pressed and that just adds more pressure and makes things even harder. If you had to put a gun to my head i would say Widnes are the favourites to get a place but it isn't written in stone. They've got to get a golden ticket before entering the franchise factory and at the moment they are nowhere near passing that first hurdle.
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| Quote: Starbug "They know Toulouse will be able to pull crowds quite simply because of the size of the place '"
They're getting 2,000 to 3,000 at the moment. That's it. The size of London's massive but no-one's watching RL there are they? Toulouse have to actually show they can pull in the crowds too - like Widnes can. |
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YOU CAN LEARN FROM THE PAST BUT NOT RELIVE IT.YOU CAN HOPE FOR THE FUTURE BUT CAN NEVER BE SURE THERE WILL BE ONE.: |
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| Quote: Starbug "The academy situation will have no massive influence in the next round of Franchises for teams outside SL
What will be the most relevant is attendances
With Salford and Celtic not posting good crowds figures and Quins not getting anywhere I cannot see the RFL wanting any more poorly supported clubs in
They know Toulouse will be able to pull crowds quite simply because of the size of the place
That is why I feel Widnes will have the ace up the sleeve , as long as their crowds dont drop because they are crap ![]()
I also think such teams as Bradford ,Leeds etc will have something to say next time round .There is quite a bit of grumbling already as every other week they have a "no show crowd" Quins ,Celts, Salford, Cats don`t fetch many at all. I know it`s up to clubs to make their own crowd but even so it makes a differance in atmosphere and everything when it is all one sided.
Regarding the kids turning up in Bulls shirts etc.Well last week I took my grandchildren along to the excelent "Learn how to do the Haka" afternoon at the Leisure Centre run by Frank Watene and it was a very enjoyable event.
There was the inevitable family of "Bulls " there resplendant in all the shirts. They took a bit of good humoured ribbing and thoroughly enjoyed the day.
But despite the parents insistance to the contrary Mike insisted the young lad took his free season ticket like all the other Fax fans present.
Nice one . 
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: littlerich "........and indeed, as long as they win an NRC trophy or appear in a GF. At the moment, they can't win a WI raffle. Next year they'll have to pull out all the stops otherwise i can see panic buttons being pressed and that just adds more pressure and makes things even harder. If you had to put a gun to my head i would say Widnes are the favourites to get a place but it isn't written in stone. They've got to get a golden ticket before entering the franchise factory and at the moment they are nowhere near passing that first hurdle.'"
Same problem for us but we will win the NRC this year to get ours |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: littlerich "They're getting 2,000 to 3,000 at the moment. That's it. The size of London's massive but no-one's watching RL there are they? Toulouse have to actually show they can pull in the crowds too - like Widnes can.'"
They would get massive help from the local council if they get a place , just to bring in travelling fans , having 2 clubs from France is a long term aim of the RFL , it will happen
They like the idea of ' derby ' games as long as it doesn't include the likes of us and you |
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| Quote: littlerich "They're getting 2,000 to 3,000 at the moment. That's it. The size of London's massive but no-one's watching RL there are they? Toulouse have to actually show they can pull in the crowds too - like Widnes can.'"
I went down some years ago and made a point of asking numereous people where they were from they were all Kiwi/Aussie bar/bank workers and northerners who had moved down there .I never spoke to a person from London there were obviously some there ( I hope) but I never found them.
Some time ago when I had the pub we had a couple of regulars who were committed Fax fans that relocated to London through work. They started to watch the Quins and when we were in Super League they would come back up when we played them here.
However when they relocated again to Morecombe they carried on watching the Quins because they could get to all the away matches up here and we had dropped out of Super League. I was most disapointed in them really.  |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: johnny freeman fan club "I also think such teams as Bradford ,Leeds etc will have something to say next time round .There is quite a bit of grumbling already as every other week they have a "no show crowd" Quins ,Celts, Salford, Cats don`t fetch many at all. I know it`s up to clubs to make their own crowd but even so it makes a differance in atmosphere and everything when it is all one sided.Regarding the kids turning up in Bulls shirts etc.Well last week I took my grandchildren along to the excelent "Learn how to do the Haka" afternoon at the Leisure Centre run by Frank Watene and it was a very enjoyable event.
There was the inevitable family of "Bulls " there resplendant in all the shirts. They took a bit of good humoured ribbing and thoroughly enjoyed the day.
But despite the parents insistance to the contrary Mike insisted the young lad took his free season ticket like all the other Fax fans present.
Nice one . ![]()
Gary hetherington is a big fan of expeansion
As regards the need for away fans to create atmosphere , that is an argument I have had many times with many people , it isone of the lower leagues biggest problems
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| Quote: Starbug "Same problem for us but we will win the NRC this year to get ours ![]()
Aren't you playing Halifax at the weekend? I've heard that they're a county mile ahead of anyone else 
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: marillion man "Well I know of junior clubs in the Halifax district who have recently had Bradford and/or Leeds players at their presentation evening's, that's not right is it ?'"
No it darned well is`nt right but they have never played fair havn`t the big clubs , I do not think we have the rescourses to match them either really.Our club does a super job but they cannot be everywhere I was furious when our local village school were all handed special invites to a Giants match when we were at home. |
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| Quote: Starbug "Yes only county mile though , and with that being a Yorkshire county mile it's as tight as a Yorkshiremans wallet so not very big ![]()
I think it will be closer than most people think this match, Rowley will have them all fired up .If there`s a match he will want to win it`s this one. Let`s all hope we don`t get caught out watching Rowley spit the dummy again is always good.
Oh by the way don`t forget it`s a "cup match" you won`t get a bonus point.
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| Quote: Starbug "While you are correct in what you say if you look at it you are still preaching to the ' converted ' if you have a player attending a presentation at a RL club
Yes continue doing it , get letters and make contacts with as many as you can in the area as you are competing with the Bulls,Leeds and Huddersfield for this type of ' marketing
But the point still remains is you need to somehow find a way to actively promote your club to the people who have never had / dont have any interest in RL whatsoever
The article by Matt Calland in the paper is good but he also is reffering to ' the fans rather than the people of the town /borough , he is asking for existing fans to contribute more via lottery instead of targeting new fans'"
Spot on I agree - yes use the existing fanbase its where you are likely to get the most success but to 'kick on' we have to hit some of the rest of the population of Calderdale which is 200,000.There must be at least another 500 people who would support the club one way or another, we have to get to them.
We the fans must keep trying, I have got 2 people coming on Suday who are not fans, but may become fans in time if i keep at them AND the club and players deliver. |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Fax4Life "Spot on I agree - yes use the existing fanbase its where you are likely to get the most success but to 'kick on' we have to hit some of the rest of the population of Calderdale which is 200,000.There must be at least another 500 people who would support the club one way or another, we have to get to them.
We the fans must keep trying, I have got 2 people coming on Suday who are not fans, but may become fans in time if i keep at them AND the club and players deliver.'"
Too low , 5,000 should be the minimum target
In fact the minimum target is the capacity of the Shay
Total change of attitude required
Start with a blank piece of paper
You are a brand new club playing a brand new sport
None of those 200,000 people have ever seen a game of RL
How do you get people to come and ' taste ' what you have to offer ? |
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It might sound a bit radical but how about having the players go around the streets of Halifax playing tag rugby on the actual streets!
The kids would come out to play with the players and get involved and it's something I don't think any club has ever done before.
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