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| Quote: faxcar "
Without digging too deep last year Batley received a lot of praise for doing this but just a year later the prices are back up again with no concessions which would seem to indicate it didn’t work.'"
It's hard to compare because Batley don't appear to announce their attendances even though looking at highlights the ground appears empty. I remember reading something that the Batley season ticket holders were cheesed off about last season's match day discount because they were effectively shafted paying an average higher match entrance than the "less loyal" fair weather fans. Fax did a "season ticket holder bring a friend for a tenner" a couple of seasons back which, as a then season ticket holder myself, was quite annoying because my non season ticket holder mate got in for a tenner whilst my average cost was £17 !!
The clubs have to be smarter than that. I've suggested before that mini season tickets might be a good idea for those fans who don't want to commit to full season tickets (holiday commitments). A good example, using me as a yardstick, would have been a £50 triple ticket for Wakey/Dewsbury/Bradford as my attendance for the Dewsbury match depends on what side of bed I get out of whereas the triple match ticket would have definitely got me going - so a tenner made for the club.
Incidentally I didn't get a season ticket this time because of the stingy discount and also influenced by that bring a friend thingy.
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| Its fairly simple, if the council were to sell the shay for housing then the amount gained would be nowhere near enough to buy some other land and build a stadium.
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| Quote: Tony Fax "It's hard to compare because Batley don't appear to announce their attendances even though looking at highlights the ground appears empty. I remember reading something that the Batley season ticket holders were cheesed off about last season's match day discount because they were effectively shafted paying an average higher match entrance than the "less loyal" fair weather fans. Fax did a "season ticket holder bring a friend for a tenner" a couple of seasons back which, as a then season ticket holder myself, was quite annoying because my non season ticket holder mate got in for a tenner whilst my average cost was £17 !!
The clubs have to be smarter than that. I've suggested before that mini season tickets might be a good idea for those fans who don't want to commit to full season tickets (holiday commitments). A good example, using me as a yardstick, would have been a £50 triple ticket for Wakey/Dewsbury/Bradford as my attendance for the Dewsbury match depends on what side of bed I get out of whereas the triple match ticket would have definitely got me going - so a tenner made for the club.
Incidentally I didn't get a season ticket this time because of the stingy discount and also influenced by that bring a friend thingy.'"
I for one appreciate the challenge the club is facing and the attempts at some of their initiatives and did buy season tickets at the full price when I could have had a discount and have brought a friend or two paying the full price for them as well.
Likewise in the past (and I know others) that have taken advantage for example of both early bird season ticket and mini season ticket offers.
I look at it this way, it’s not me and them, it’s my club and I’ll support it for as long as I can, how I can.
On the bigger picture you could have a hundred people in a room with a hundred different brilliant ideas on what they should do.
Just look at the state of things in the sport and the numerous different attempts at getting it right, there’s probably already been a hundred and more great ideas talked about, thrown out or tried and then thrown out again with no progress apart from taking the game backwards.
On getting the pricing right and people through the gate it’s a challenge every club is facing and if there was an easy one fix for all then all would be doing it so it seems no one is being smart enough.
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| Quote: faxcar "I Just look at the state of things in the sport and the numerous different attempts at getting it right, there’s probably already been a hundred and more great ideas talked about, thrown out or tried and then thrown out again with no progress apart from taking the game backwards.
On getting the pricing right and people through the gate it’s a challenge every club is facing and if there was an easy one fix for all then all would be doing it so it seems no one is being smart enough.'"
I agree, it is a hell of a job getting it right and I sympathise the club (like all the others) is in between a rock and a hard place. It's just that the current option being taken of holding admission at 20 quid and hoping crowds will get better is not working and one by one clubs will fall off a cliff.
It's been another crap championship as Wakey has trashed the competition, we all should have signed amateur players, saved tons of brass, and waited for them to go back to SL. Not sure there'll be respite next season either. London took the part time route after knowing they'd be relegated before a ball was kicked (so daft it beggars belief) so they might still have lots of their SL money left thus cornering next season's championship best talent.
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| Quote: Tony Fax "I agree, it is a hell of a job getting it right and I sympathise the club (like all the others) is in between a rock and a hard place. It's just that the current option being taken of holding admission at 20 quid and hoping crowds will get better is not working and one by one clubs will fall off a cliff.
It's been another crap championship as Wakey has trashed the competition, we all should have signed amateur players, saved tons of brass, and waited for them to go back to SL. Not sure there'll be respite next season either. London took the part time route after knowing they'd be relegated before a ball was kicked (so daft it beggars belief) so they might still have lots of their SL money left thus cornering next season's championship best talent.'"
Probably the only positive with London coming down is that most of their squad has signed elsewhere for next season which means they will have to rebuild. Money has never been a problem for them with David Hughes pumping it in and in recent years he has been cutting back so I don't reckon they will be coming down and been anything much better than a decent side.
On the crowds issue, I think it said it all on Sunday which will be the biggest attendance of our season but looked like it had the fewest Fax fans that have been at a game in a while. I don't know how that will change because what we serve up is pretty dire, but that's not just Fax its the game at the top level in general. There are plenty of good amateur games over the weekends that you can get your rugby fix at and it be more entertaining.
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| Should get back to basics and revamp the entire championship. There's nothing wrong with RL being a regional sport and we must rid ourselves of this obsession with expansion which just isn't working.
So I'd scrap League 1, promote Oldham, Keighley, Rochdale, Hunslet and Workington. Leave out the rest. Also eject Liondon, Toulouse and Sheffield leaving us with 16 "grass roots" clubs. Re-introduce the Yorkshire Cup as a pre season pool competition giving us an annual chance to play SL clubs. Re-introduce the NRC as a further opportunity for silverware and get back to the top 5 play off for the Grand Final.
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| Quote: Tony Fax "Should get back to basics and revamp the entire championship. There's nothing wrong with RL being a regional sport and we must rid ourselves of this obsession with expansion which just isn't working.
So I'd scrap League 1, promote Oldham, Keighley, Rochdale, Hunslet and Workington. Leave out the rest. Also eject Liondon, Toulouse and Sheffield leaving us with 16 "grass roots" clubs. Re-introduce the Yorkshire Cup as a pre season pool competition giving us an annual chance to play SL clubs. Re-introduce the NRC as a further opportunity for silverware and get back to the top 5 play off for the Grand Final.'"
Slightly controversial that but a bloody hell of a lot better than what we have at present.
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| I think that Sky will soon pull their support of rugby league. The new streaming channel is crap. You can’t record from it and once the game is finished you can’t watch it again. Only highlights of the games and they put the score up which I don’t want to know. All the hype about showing all games live has gone to the wall now the football season has started. Catalan/wigan on Saturday and Hull KR/Salford on Friday only games that we can record. In a way I’d like to see SKY bin SL and see what happens to all the elite teams.
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| Alternative brilliant ideas doing the rounds are that the game is actually rumoured to be considering, is for Super League to be taken over by the NRL giving IMG the boot and bypassing and breaking ties with the RFL leaving them and the rest of the clubs to sort the rest of it out. Which if it transpires. That should really be fun.
At the same time the RFL have received applications from 3 other clubs to join Championship 1 which they are now considering which in itself might come as a surprise to learn the RFL are capable of thinking.
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| I don't know what the NRL would gain from taking over SL.
As for SKY maybe pulling the plug, now that wouldn't surprise me. SKY are feeling the squeeze in general, their subs are way too high and other streamers are gaining market share. If they don't pull the plug then I reckon they'll significantly reduce funding, because they know no other broadcaster is interested. I bet the Beeb are paying nak all for broadcasting SL games. Quite hilarious I say!
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| Maybe the NRL taking over would be a great thing as the Aussies know how to look after their No1 sport and make it THRIVE?
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| Quote: faxcar "Alternative brilliant ideas doing the rounds are that the game is actually rumoured to be considering, is for Super League to be taken over by the NRL giving IMG the boot and bypassing and breaking ties with the RFL leaving them and the rest of the clubs to sort the rest of it out. Which if it transpires. That should really be fun.
At the same time the RFL have received applications from 3 other clubs to join Championship 1 which they are now considering which in itself might come as a surprise to learn the RFL are capable of thinking.'"
If the NRL do actually do become involved in 'UK' RL it'll be to cherry pick a small number of the 'top' clubs to take part in a trans world competition.
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| Quote: Encouraged "Maybe the NRL taking over would be a great thing as the Aussies know how to look after their No1 sport and make it THRIVE?'"
The big question would be how they would going on looking after a sport that was maybe 7th or 8th rank in the nation.
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| Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "The big question would be how they would going on looking after a sport that was maybe 7th or 8th rank in the nation.'"
That’s what I was thinking when I first heard it and did a quick check.
In Aussie land it’s in the top 1 or 2 but here depending on if it’s based on those who participate or those who watch, it goes down to 12th or 13th behind sports such as hockey and rounders!!
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| As a fan of a SL Club, I don't understand the struggles that Championship and League 1 Clubs go through. We've never had to worry about finances or attendance, attracting quality players etc. But I am curious about something...
At what point do clubs and fans have to concede that merging with other Teams might just be the only way to go?
Of course the Halifax fans here don't want to start calling themselves Huddersfield Giants fans, but what about West Yorkshire for example. A new name that includes both of you. And maybe that could even extend to Batley and Dewsbury (if they'd even be classed as 'West', I don't know). But if those 4 clubs merged into something new, you could be looking at a potential average attendance of 8,558, whilst still having something to believe in that unites all of those fans.
It does sound horrible, I know. I just don't know at what point a clubs own fanbase has to concede that there aren't enough fans to sustain a club anymore.
I'm more than happy to be educated on anything. I encourage all opinions and perspectives on the life of a Championship club. Always eager to learn and understand.
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