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Glad you posted that because I got the impression you approved of franchising because your club has one.

Championship crowds are declining because of franchising. Non Relegation League crowds are too. The RFL blame the economic downturn.

I just hope that Lewis and those who appointed him clear off soon before Quins' Crusaders and who knows how many Championship sides go to the wall because of this ridiculous gamble which cannot work.

Competition is what makes things work for the greater good not monopolies or cartels.

RL needs promotion and relegation not endless friendlies.

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I am not a fan of the whole franchise thing..... but they seem to manage OK in Australia without promotion and relegation icon_eek.gif

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Quote: pyeman "They can build on it, they just have to make sure some areas are cleared of any chemical residue as i understand it.'"



I thought the chemical license was lifted so that you/Ben Bailey's could build residential homes on the jungle/wheldon road/probiz colly not on the Hickson site?

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Quote: Leon Ashton "I am not a fan of the whole franchise thing..... but they seem to manage OK in Australia without promotion and relegation

Australia is a continent with a much smaller population than the UK.whereas pro RL in this country is mostly played in the M62 corridor.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: urbancarrot "I thought the chemical license was lifted so that you/Ben Bailey's could build residential homes on the jungle/wheldon road/probiz colly not on the Hickson site?'"


Thats the blast zone which is a differant thing, that effects the area around hicksons, the chemical licence only effects the hicksons site.

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I am pretty certain that if I was currently looking for a new house, bearing in mind that there are plenty available, I would tend to avoid areas next to chemical works particularly when terms like "chemical residue" and "blast zone" are used. Without meaning to be offensive to Cas residents (my daughter lives at Whitwood) the Wheldon Road area could hardly be described as "picturesque" or "much sought after" by estate agents.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Fax Machine "I am pretty certain that if I was currently looking for a new house, bearing in mind that there are plenty available, I would tend to avoid areas next to chemical works particularly when terms like "chemical residue" and "blast zone" are used. Without meaning to be offensive to Cas residents (my daughter lives at Whitwood) the Wheldon Road area could hardly be described as "picturesque" or "much sought after" by estate agents.'"


No one will be moving in if the site is not 100% safe, the only thing stopping it being so now is some chemicals being buried on a small amount of the hicksons site, these will be removed and the ground treated so it is 100% safe.

The blast zone relates to when the site was in use there was a risk of explosions from the production of chemicals, which no longer takes place, which is why it has been lifted.

The wheldon road area is being complelty redeveloped with new residential, leasure and commercial developments to be built there.

I work in whitwood, its a very nice place, though a little to quiet for my tastes.

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Quote: Leon Ashton "I am not a fan of the whole franchise thing..... but they seem to manage OK in Australia without promotion and relegation somethings go in cycles, competition is a must though, for many reasons beyond short sighted marketing.
Australian Cricket used to joke about our county game too, im afraid we mustn't follow what works well in other countries, we must adopt what will work well for us, with last years attendances taking a hit, our national team being poor and the historic GB shirt torn up and shredded, it could well take a couple of the SL clubs to be shoved out for some people to realise our game is being used for purposes other than sporting excellence. If it is going to take Wakey and Cas's backsides to start twitching for them to realise what we have been saying on here for years, then what will be will be. Its a joke, its nothing to do with Sport.

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]Desperation

Wakefield Wildcats Official Statement
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Wakefield Trinity Wildcats held a general meeting of shareholders on Tuesday 4th January at which shareholders were given an update on stadium, licensing and the general position of the club.

The club confirmed it was deeply disappointed the planning application on the Newmarket stadium had been called in for public enquiry on 16th December. Not only does this mean a delay to the stadium development but the club was to receive funds of £350,000 on planning being granted as part of the clubs agreement with the developer which are now also delayed.

Meetings have been held with the Developer and Sir Rodney Walker on behalf of Wakefield & District Community Trust and all parties agree that whilst this is a set back it does not stop the development pushing ahead through the planning process. All parties are as committed as always to delivering the stadium and sports facilities for the City. The club remain convinced that this development will happen the question which cannot be answer at this time is when.

In April the Wildcats apply for a Super League license for 2012 – 2014. An essential part of the licensing process is facilities and Newmarket will still be included in the Wildcats bid. However, the club confirmed it has contingency plans in place to play out of the district in super league compliant stadiums until such time as Newmarket comes to fruition. The club are working under confidentiality processes and cannot give further details but once the legal processes have been completed will make these plans public.

The key performance indicators around which licensing is based are Facilities, Spectator Base, Finance, Commercial & Marketing and Community Trusts and the club feels its license application will score strongly on Facilities (using the stadiums mentioned above) Commercial, Marketing and the Community Trust. However it may face tough opposition in spectator base whilst the club can show year on year growth and a continuing upward trend on attendances it has not reached the 10,000 limit.

Financially the club has faced a tough economic climate during times of a deep recession and losing the £350,000 from cash flow creates a difficult environment in which to work. During the summer the club appealed for new investors to come forward and two interested parties have undergone a due diligence process and attended meetings with Super League and Rugby Football League representatives and the Stadium Developer yet despite assurances neither offer has been realised.

The club needs to do everything it can to generate extra funds and called for 500 people to come forward to each pay £1,000 each and generate £500,000 for the club.

The Board of Directors said they have been told repeatedly that people would support the club and come forward with financial assistance if the current Board were not involved. Therefore the Board are offering this opportunity to shareholders, supporters and new investors to come forward and create a new Board of Directors under this scheme.

The question is are there 500 people out there who have the club at heart - what does this club mean to you?

This is Wakefield. Together We Are Stronger.

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They talk of "deep recession" and "tough economic climate" in the statement then go and ask for 500 people to hand over £1000 d040.gif

It is not just the club that faces these problems fans do too. I can see the point of the statement but serious straw clutching. I think Wakey are in trouble financially and this is another roll of the dice.

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Quote: Fax Bluenose "]Desperation

Wakefield Wildcats Official Statement
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Wakefield Trinity Wildcats held a general meeting of shareholders on Tuesday 4th January at which shareholders were given an update on stadium, licensing and the general position of the club.

The club confirmed it was deeply disappointed the planning application on the Newmarket stadium had been called in for public enquiry on 16th December. Not only does this mean a delay to the stadium development but the club was to receive funds of £350,000 on planning being granted as part of the clubs agreement with the developer which are now also delayed.

Meetings have been held with the Developer and Sir Rodney Walker on behalf of Wakefield & District Community Trust and all parties agree that whilst this is a set back it does not stop the development pushing ahead through the planning process. All parties are as committed as always to delivering the stadium and sports facilities for the City. The club remain convinced that this development will happen the question which cannot be answer at this time is when.

In April the Wildcats apply for a Super League license for 2012 – 2014. An essential part of the licensing process is facilities and Newmarket will still be included in the Wildcats bid. However, the club confirmed it has contingency plans in place to play out of the district in super league compliant stadiums until such time as Newmarket comes to fruition. The club are working under confidentiality processes and cannot give further details but once the legal processes have been completed will make these plans public.

The key performance indicators around which licensing is based are Facilities, Spectator Base, Finance, Commercial & Marketing and Community Trusts and the club feels its license application will score strongly on Facilities (using the stadiums mentioned above) Commercial, Marketing and the Community Trust. However it may face tough opposition in spectator base whilst the club can show year on year growth and a continuing upward trend on attendances it has not reached the 10,000 limit.

Financially the club has faced a tough economic climate during times of a deep recession and losing the £350,000 from cash flow creates a difficult environment in which to work. During the summer the club appealed for new investors to come forward and two interested parties have undergone a due diligence process and attended meetings with Super League and Rugby Football League representatives and the Stadium Developer yet despite assurances neither offer has been realised.

The club needs to do everything it can to generate extra funds and called for 500 people to come forward to each pay £1,000 each and generate £500,000 for the club.

The Board of Directors said they have been told repeatedly that people would support the club and come forward with financial assistance if the current Board were not involved. Therefore the Board are offering this opportunity to shareholders, supporters and new investors to come forward and create a new Board of Directors under this scheme.

The question is are there 500 people out there who have the club at heart - what does this club mean to you?

This is Wakefield. Together We Are Stronger.'"

Reading this and the arguments against the building of the Wakefield ground www.wakefieldangryresidents.com/ I cannot see how Wakefield can retain Superleague status if the decision is in March.It seems unlikely Wakefield will get confirmed planning permission before March.
When Dewsbury won the championship they applied for Superleague by playing at a ground outside of the area and where knocked back. I do not see how Wakefield can do the same thing and not get knocked back.
Quote: Fax Bluenose "]Desperation

Wakefield Wildcats Official Statement
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Wakefield Trinity Wildcats held a general meeting of shareholders on Tuesday 4th January at which shareholders were given an update on stadium, licensing and the general position of the club.

The club confirmed it was deeply disappointed the planning application on the Newmarket stadium had been called in for public enquiry on 16th December. Not only does this mean a delay to the stadium development but the club was to receive funds of £350,000 on planning being granted as part of the clubs agreement with the developer which are now also delayed.

Meetings have been held with the Developer and Sir Rodney Walker on behalf of Wakefield & District Community Trust and all parties agree that whilst this is a set back it does not stop the development pushing ahead through the planning process. All parties are as committed as always to delivering the stadium and sports facilities for the City. The club remain convinced that this development will happen the question which cannot be answer at this time is when.

In April the Wildcats apply for a Super League license for 2012 – 2014. An essential part of the licensing process is facilities and Newmarket will still be included in the Wildcats bid. However, the club confirmed it has contingency plans in place to play out of the district in super league compliant stadiums until such time as Newmarket comes to fruition. The club are working under confidentiality processes and cannot give further details but once the legal processes have been completed will make these plans public.

The key performance indicators around which licensing is based are Facilities, Spectator Base, Finance, Commercial & Marketing and Community Trusts and the club feels its license application will score strongly on Facilities (using the stadiums mentioned above) Commercial, Marketing and the Community Trust. However it may face tough opposition in spectator base whilst the club can show year on year growth and a continuing upward trend on attendances it has not reached the 10,000 limit.

Financially the club has faced a tough economic climate during times of a deep recession and losing the £350,000 from cash flow creates a difficult environment in which to work. During the summer the club appealed for new investors to come forward and two interested parties have undergone a due diligence process and attended meetings with Super League and Rugby Football League representatives and the Stadium Developer yet despite assurances neither offer has been realised.

The club needs to do everything it can to generate extra funds and called for 500 people to come forward to each pay £1,000 each and generate £500,000 for the club.

The Board of Directors said they have been told repeatedly that people would support the club and come forward with financial assistance if the current Board were not involved. Therefore the Board are offering this opportunity to shareholders, supporters and new investors to come forward and create a new Board of Directors under this scheme.

The question is are there 500 people out there who have the club at heart - what does this club mean to you?

This is Wakefield. Together We Are Stronger.'"

Reading this and the arguments against the building of the Wakefield ground www.wakefieldangryresidents.com/ I cannot see how Wakefield can retain Superleague status if the decision is in March.It seems unlikely Wakefield will get confirmed planning permission before March.
When Dewsbury won the championship they applied for Superleague by playing at a ground outside of the area and where knocked back. I do not see how Wakefield can do the same thing and not get knocked back.


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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: bulldogtrev "Reading this and the arguments against the building of the Wakefield ground
Wakefield have to get an ok from the public enquiry (6 months-year) before they can apply for planning permission which will take 2-3 months.

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Quote: Leon Ashton "I am not a fan of the whole franchise thing..... but they seem to manage OK in Australia without promotion and relegation
They also don't run a franchise system whereby existing teams get relegated for off field record rather than performances on the field. Or one that the main broadcaster decides who will take part.

Neither do the likes of Canberra, Melbourne, Gold Coast etc get preferential treatment with player's origin or are allowed to go bust several times over without ever getting booted out. Over here the governing body do all they can to help wipe out debts...providing you are not within 30 miles of the M62 or play outside of Super League.

Least when the Aussies set up the mergers with clubs within same city like Wests/Balmain and St George/Illawarra they have proven to be legit rather than our shambles attempt to merge Gateshull and Shuddersfield.

Our system is a complete crock of ****.

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CH 25 Swinton28-8Featherstone
CH 25 Wakefield60-6Whitehaven
CH 25 Widnes6-12York
NRL 27 Manly20-40Cronulla
NRL 27 Newcastle14-6Dolphins
Sat 7th Sep
SL 25 Warrington16-2St.Helens
SL 25 Salford27-12Catalans
WSL2024 13 Wire W0-98St.HelensW
CH 25 Barrow24-36Toulouse
NRL 27 St.George24-26Canberra
NRL 27 Canterbury6-44NQL Cowboys
NRL 27 Penrith18-12Gold Coast
Fri 6th Sep
SL 25 Castleford12-34Leigh
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 25 619 336 283 40
Hull KR 25 669 311 358 38
Warrington 25 618 319 299 36
Salford 25 492 479 13 30
Leigh 25 548 362 186 29
St.Helens 25 544 366 178 28
 
Leeds 25 514 424 90 28
Catalans 25 439 415 24 26
Huddersfield 25 434 582 -148 18
Castleford 25 411 661 -250 15
Hull FC 25 320 812 -492 6
LondonB 25 309 850 -541 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 23 872 252 620 44
Bradford 23 602 359 243 30
Toulouse 22 624 322 302 29
Widnes 23 499 403 96 27
York 24 609 419 190 26
Featherstone 23 560 452 108 26
 
Sheffield 23 574 466 108 26
Doncaster 23 440 513 -73 21
Halifax 23 457 579 -122 20
Batley 23 364 497 -133 20
Barrow 22 384 634 -250 17
Swinton 23 418 590 -172 16
Whitehaven 23 400 772 -372 16
Dewsbury 24 292 793 -501 2
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