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| Quote: HXSparky "I think that's a tad unfair on Moore and Murrell individually, but there's no real sign of a partnership developing. It's worth giving it a go with Gaz and Jonno in the halves, particularly when we come up against strong "workmanlike" teams such as Batley. The very best teams can win regardless, but when there's not a lot between teams, it's the subtle changes that make the difference.
I'm sure RM considered all of this, and made his team decisions as he thought best before the game. Tbh, the game could have gone either way, and we certainly bombed a few good positions and made some poor decisions at times today. On another day, we could have won at a canter.
Fair do's to Batley though. They had a game plan, stuck to it, and it worked today.'"
Probably right about being unfair on both Murrell and Moore, though its frustrating to see the attack struggling and for whatever reason us bombing so many chances with stupid forward passes etc. Maybe its that the partnership is struggling and against a good pack like Batley, we go in to panic mode and pushing passes etc when no need. Sheffield game for me was similar, that we seem to panic if we dont score and push passes and maybe try to do too much. Batley are very well coached and have quality players. We just look lost if things do not go our way.
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| Our last tackle options were poor today, Murrell is not quick enough in a game like this one was and I'm sure Jonno would have made a bit of a difference. Much as I don't rate Georgie Boy I didn't think he was that bad today, Fairbank was never square all the time he was on so was going to get pulled at some stage. If the passes were forward then we should learn to pass but that is usually down to the TJ not ref. The Rettie incident, to be fair it was nothing and TJ overreacted. We need to improve, simple as.
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| I felt for the hbs on both sides today and I think something has to be done about the play the ball speed. In every game I've seen this season it has been far too slow which has made it very difficult to break down the opposition or the creative players to really show there skills. That leads to games like today, tough forward battles with very little the hbs can do to make breaks or influence games, as the defensive lines are always set and ready for them. Thanks for the hospitality, I was sat with some cracking fax fans. Good luck for the rest of the season.
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| The game was won by the better team who played to their strengths and are bang in form. Not often you see our forwards coming out second best and credit to Batley's forwards they gave Brambani a great platform to dictate the game. We are making the breaks but have to have players in that are there to finish off. We need Miles at fullback, Sharpe on the wing and Johnstone at half back and certainly not going out allegedly on loan or off to Bradford- as the terrace talk would have us believe! Need to get this win one lose one monkey off our back quickly or we are going to miss the cut.
Will be interesting to hear RM's view at the Supporters Trust Fans Forum on Wednesday night.
Some tough games coming up which we will need to show more creativity and clinical finishing to get us back up the table(currently 7th!)
Keep the faith .
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| Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "For the first time today in a long while I thought we looked tired and a bit flat, our usual standout guys didnt have bad games I just dont think anyone stood out. I too agree Moore has been very good for us this season and would love to see him and Jonno in the halves for us which you would imagine would terrify teams but today was slow and pedestrian. How you can make so many clean breaks and not once have someone on the runners shoulder is beyond me.
I thought Batley would go well this year but if we are to make the top 4 we have to be beating them at home, I certainly did not think we would be struggling after just 4 games but there is certainly pressure on now especially with London and Leigh up next which on current form we will not win.'"
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| We win as a team and we lose as a team.
Congratulations to Batley who were relentless. There's always a post mortem and here's mine;
* we need MG back at FB so Will can be higher up the pitch.
* Jonno and Moore at halves where does that leave Muzza
* we seemed to offload always going backwards or snatching at plays
* sometimes our back line is so deep and static
* do we need to have a look at Brandon Moore
* we seemed totally in control in the first half then a couple of brain farts later and we go in 6-8!!
I'm certain that if we score a couple of those length of the pitch tries we'd have broken them.......that's sport eh.
UTFAX
Ps not bagging the guys
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Thought our kicking out of hand was pretty average and we didn't pressure their kicks either.....
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| A nice summer day, a firm green carpet to play on, Greenwood at FB, Will on the wing, Johnno and Gaz Moore in the halves, Muzza at loose forward, Grix in the second row, plenty of good footy to come.
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| Depressing performance really. Yes, I agree with the above comments that Stokes did not directly affect the result, but I would love to hear his explanation to both the disallowed try and Reittie incident. Do refs ever have to justify themselves or answer questions to bizarre decisions?? The ruck was incredibly slow, along with a skinny 10 metres, which resulting in a very boring spectacle. Fair play to Batley though, they played the conditions and circumstances very well. RM will have to make changes though. After Sheffield he mentioned our support play was not where it should be and that was evident again today. How many line breaks did we make, ending up with nothing? Heaton, Fairbank, Tangata Ecclestone to name 4. I'd get Miles back asap, if he's not ready give Salty a go at full back, at least he links the line up fairly well. Gareth Moore was good again, Jonno has to come in at half back with him. On today's showing I'd give Murrell a few week off, really off the pace today. If RM wants to continue with Fairbank, R Moore, Tangata at loose, then I really don't see a place for Murrell at the minute unfortunately.
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| Quote: Clayton FAX "Depressing performance really. Yes, I agree with the above comments that Stokes did not directly affect the result, but I would love to hear his explanation to both the disallowed try and Reittie incident. Do refs ever have to justify themselves or answer questions to bizarre decisions?? The ruck was incredibly slow, along with a skinny 10 metres, which resulting in a very boring spectacle. Fair play to Batley though, they played the conditions and circumstances very well. RM will have to make changes though. After Sheffield he mentioned our support play was not where it should be and that was evident again today. How many line breaks did we make, ending up with nothing? Heaton, Fairbank, Tangata Ecclestone to name 4. I'd get Miles back asap, if he's not ready give Salty a go at full back, at least he links the line up fairly well. Gareth Moore was good again, Jonno has to come in at half back with him. On today's showing I'd give Murrell a few week off, really off the pace today. If RM wants to continue with Fairbank, R Moore, Tangata at loose, then I really don't see a place for Murrell at the minute unfortunately.'"
Agree with all of that. Don't think RM would ever play Murrell at loose forward and as much as I like Murrell he's not playing well enough to deserve a place in the team. Got to go with Johnston and Moore as half backs next week.
When Tangata made that 40 meter break upfield he had no support what so ever, if Tangata's making them kind of breaks and and has no support that tells you there's something wrong.
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| Quote: Dogsmarketteam "https
Interesting, tangata and Fairbank were the best yesterday for me.
We've had good tussles with Batley for years now and Dane has been our most consistent player for years.
Yesterday was less to do with stokes, and more to do with Fax not backing up, and switching off between 35 and 40 mins. Batley are well balanced championship team, and John Kear knows his onions.
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| Thoughts are murrell as been poor against Sheffield and today against batley. Needs to be dropped as the whole point of a big team is to keep players on there toes and to me he just is not playing how he is expected
Don't see why saxton is not.in the team he was one the better wingers. Think a few need swapping for next week
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| deeply disappointing and damaging performance.Seems to be a lot wrong at club at moment which is really annoying as the good work of last season seems to be falling apart.Pity i can't make the RM forum on wednesday as i'd like to hear his slant on things.Did think he was too loyal to the players at end of last season,we needed 4/5 quality players and needed to ship a few.That said opinion is divided on Gareth Moore but in my opinion he's been excellent.
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| Opinion shouldn't be divided on Gareth Moore. He's been by far our best player so far this season.
Without naming individual players for negative criticism - I believe there were a few players playing yesterday that really weren't up to the required standard.
It's absolutely crazy that Ben J. isn't getting in the team when he was our most dangerous attacking player last season and in the super 8s.
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