I am not in a particular articulate mood tonight, so all I can say is bo**ocks.
Next cider please.

Ironic that Grif's 1998 in his tagline represents the biggest cup final upset in living memory......

Not one to usually sit on the fence but I can totally see both sides of the argument. I still feel getting whooped 70-0 would be somehow fairer though and the advantage would still be with the Superleague team much as it is now but concentrate on on the field efforts more.

But it would be the bottom SL team, yes they are full time, but surely the top Champ team would have to be capable of giving them a game, if not then there really is little point in bring back P&R anyway. We would have to ensure we are capable of turning up on the day and i think we probably would, I'd fancy ours/Fevs chances of giving London/Widnes a run for their money.

As long as there are limits to signing players on. i.e , London couldn't just now sign on a load of Wigan/saints/leeds players etc on a months loan just to help em out in a play off game v Fev/Fax/Leigh/Batley etc!
Similarly, the championship winners couldn't just sign on all wakey's surpluses!

Or possibly any other time.

Which suggests how rare an occurrence it might be.

Fine - you take your chances. One club promoted in maybe ten years. Compared with the current one in three. Personaly, I prefer better odds.

Yeah, but we're talking about a game at the end of the season. Before you've strengthened your team in the close season.

who says there is one going up every 3 years? they are taking up who they want when they want.
they took up the welsh because they wanted them, they took up widnes because of the fuss they kicked up and a few week after that the rfl said one team will come up next time and from then on everyone new it was widnes and if they hadnt of won the rail cup back then they would of changed that rule of needing to achieve just like they said later that tolouse dont need to win anything to appy because back then they were hoping they would be in a position to join too

I fear we're currently in a "one up every 10 years" scenario plus, as someone has rightly said, the goalposts can be moved at a whim to ensure exclusivity. Licensing has definitely given a lot of clubs a well needed kick up the backside though and I'm now all for keeping minimum standards as in Union.

The RFL.

Subject to meeting other conditions. Which will, no doubt, still be there if there is a return to promotion and relegation.

But how many of those have been top of the Champ v Bottom of Super League? Saints got to the grand final!!

Just remind me how we did against Batley in 2003 .......

And they were part time same as us!!

Must be my imagination but sure Fev and Barrow beat Cas and Fax took them to extra time. And Leigh was robbed against Crusaders. Barrow also came close to beating Wigan. But of course Griff thinks Championship clubs cant match SL clubs on or off the field...

Be careful what you wish for .........

Bang on ,fella!