Yup, it does.

I don't know why Widnes fans are biting. I bet O'connor's already earmarked his spending for 2012. There is nothing more certain on this planet than Widnes being given the license in March. And that'll be that. Widnes up, Wakey down and no more changes after that.

got it dead on there unless they decide to increase numbers again.

But as long as they have Millenium Weekends you need an equal number of teams surely

No need to dilute their income for lil' 'ol 'alifax. A swapping of "dubbya's" - that's all that'll happen.

Unless . . . . . .


Faisal?

Maybe BUT remember who everbody said was going to get the 2012 Olympic Games?

Paris

and who got it -as we all know London. (which should be great looking forward to it).

WE must try and like all things you should try your best and if that means us starting to say WE are going into SL then lets do it!

I have got to smile as when we were at Wembley last year for the CC Final a couple of Widnes lads got talking to us and it was before the play offs so they were cocky and saying they would be in the GF and would win it???
Its a Widnes thing they do think that because of who they are that they will just walk into SL which is a bit arrogant imo.

Just wait til that Qatar'y money starts being invested in the club. The RFL will give us the Club choice of who to kick out for us to replace them!

I'm with Littlerich on this one , Widnes are in , unless something incredibly strange happens Wakey are out , and that's your lot

A good friend and fellow poster on this board summed up the situation perfectly. The biggest problem with our bid is that it seems, outside of the Club AND THE RFL, very few people seem to think it has a chance of succeeding. The great work everyone does at our club falls on many a deaf ear in Halifax.

Regarding Widnes, why do people see Steve O'Conner as a positive element of their bid? Does anybody remember Leighton Samuel? The RFL certainly do.

I really don't see the similarities , Celtic Crusaders needed almost totally funding just to put a team in the pitch in NL 2( as was )

While the 1 million profit claims are dubious to say the least , Widnes are essentially self sustaining since the deal for the Halton/Stobart has been re negotiated , all Mr O Connor will need to do is ' top up ' in whatever league they are in

They are far from self sustaining, if they didn't have Steve O'Connor they would've gone bust the year before last after making a 500k loss. That is not self sustaining. Steve O'Connor has said he wants them to be challenging at the top of SL. To do that they would need to spend even more than Warrington have in the last few years. You cant do that on crowds double Widnes's average attendance from last year. What happens when he spends and spends without cracking the top four or five teams. Simon Moran did at Warrington for years until Tony Smith came along. Do the RFL expect the same perseverance from someone who only been involved for two years.

If you accept the 500 K loss , then you accept the million pound profit , the year after , Yes Mr O Connor has stated he wants to be competitive from the start , and if they are , they will be close to the ' golden ' 10,000 average to break even

There is no doubt , that to prosper it does help if you have somebody with more money than sense , but a decent support base also is a necessity , and Widnes have got that

Do you not think they would need to find another 5000 spectators to average near 10,000 ?.

There are very good sounds coming out of Fax recently but as VM said basically your playing catch up!

Big new main sponsor - Done that and now brining in big other names.
New stand - Stadium already state of the art & improving gantry for SKY currently!
Possible U23'S - Do that, 16's & 18's already (& very good!).
2500 crowds - Been above that for many a year now.

Funny how Fax always bang on about a main backer yet as soon as this Probiz guy show's an interest suddenly it's look at what we could achieve now due to him In 3 years from now if you keep building you could be shining ahead and maybe our Leigh pal's will take up your role in the game

I have pondered about what the RFL's decision will be in march, I am not sure now. My heart says Widnes will still get it and IMO don't have a divine right to it like some people think. I do think both Halifax and Widnes are on a par as far as the applications are concerned. I know the Widnes supporters will say they have their academy sides and that ticks a box that Halifax have only just started. BUT, I believe that Halifax RLFC for about 6 years, if not longer have worked with Calderdale Collage promoted rugby league, trained youth teams held coaching sessions and helped with youth teams in the area. They also promote healthy living and exercise around the schools and up until a couple of years ago had a very successful academy team. This again IMO is better and more important than just having academy sides for the select few. If the RFL can be made to see this also along with our on field success then who knows.

Also I am a Halifax supporter who lives and works in York, I am not the only one. How many of us I don't know, I am also sure their are Halifax supporters in other towns and city;s around the country and world if we can show the RFL that support then that can only help.