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I think that Yob and Greg Florimos boots need to man up and stop being keyboard warriors on the forum. If I have a problem with people I would speak face to face with them rather than type childish digs on here. See you in the playground you pair of puffs icon_lol.gif

I've been involved at the club for a few years and I have a great deal of respect for the people that seem to be getting slagged off. I have seen how much work these people put in and believe they are a valuable asset to the club. Malcolm Powell gives up a hell of a lot of time for the club and does some great work.

Mike Riley does an unbelievable amount of work and I think he's a fantastic club person (that should be worth a pint if he reads it!). Sarah and Jenna's workload probably equates to 5 different job roles and I wouldn't like to shell out for their prozac bill.

There's loads of other people that work hard and if i've missed anyone out then you know it's an oversight.

Going back to the topic I think there's been some good comments on here. Regarding the club sponsors I can only say that we always do our best to look after them on matchdays and make it special. As we are getting a lot of repeat sponsorship i'm sure we are going in the right direction.

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Quote: littlerich "He's a Club Scout'"


Can we afford one? Must only be part time! icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: griffax "Can we afford one? Must only be part time!

Do part-timer's get paid, or are they volunteers ???


Can you define that please ?

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We need to look to the future-which is what the club is doing. We all want the club to be playing at the highest level in front of many thousands-even if we do not agree with the SL franchise bollox-we want to be there!
There are many different roads to get where we want- but often different ways to reach that goal with no wrong or right way. Yob has some valid points as does everybody. However we need to get behind the club whether the people be paid or volunteers it really does not matter if it means we achieve our aims.

I agree with Starbug that fax and other Championship teams really need to do more to get Fans in. What the answer is to the question " how do we get more fans attending"? is very complicated and nobody can say exactly this way will work. Different methods work but not always is there a definate one way to succeed. However the framework is there. How we as a club adapt is up to us. Some things that worked at Keighley for example will work others not.

Instead of falling out lets all get in to friends, family, workmates etc and INVITE them down to watch a game. When I was in Halifax for the Widnes game this year I took my 8 year old Nephew-he had never seen a RL game before and his mate. They both loved it and have now got him to nag his Mum and Dad to go and play at Siddal next year! How many of us have actually taken any family members down or the Neighbours Kids? Each one of us can play a part in bringing new fans to the club-it just miht cost us a little bit of effort though-but is that too much to ask?

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Quote: marillion man "Do part-timer's get paid, or are they volunteers ???


Can you define that please ?'"


he's a part time volunteer scout! He doesnt get paid, prefers any moneys to go to charity! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Malfax "So, you are saying that Malcoplm Powell as a volunteer at the club is not worth the time he puts in, and, a part part time person would do a better job just because they get paid.

Here's a challenge for you Mr YOB, get someone to do it better than me and I'll stand down.

Put up or shut up'"


Malcolm, if you are going to get personal, I can give as good as I get!

I'd say that you put in a lot of time and effort, but you're past your Sell By date and cause far too many problems, such as taking delivery and paying many thousands of pounds for shirts 3/4 of the way into the season, when the problem in them being delivered so late was down to the supplier.

Also, such as negotiating to take over sponsors sponsorships and seeking the Trust members permissions to do so, then going ahead without their approval, vus depriving the club of potential sponsorship monies/donations!

In my opinion a paid Part Time employee would do a better job, so long as the person was qualified in the area they are working. With the best will in the world, somebody is going to do a better job if their income depended on it, than somebody who can come and go whenever they want and with no financial motivation.

A volunteer can be very valuable, but have them doing the jobs they can handle.

As for me putting money in to replace you, that isn't going to happen! That's up to the board to build it into the budget!

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Quote: Fax Machine "For what it's worth, I think you do a brilliant job and I am disgusted at Yob's comments.'"


With respect, that's easy to say when you only know half the story.

Quote: Fax Machine "Apart from that I think it is risible that he seems to believe that an employee is more committed to the job than a volunteer. An employee, generally speaking, is more likely to do what they are paid to do and no more whereas a volunteer, particularly in this situation, brings with it a passion for the work otherwise he/she would not volunteer. They are not getting any other remuneration than a sense of satisfaction in a job well done.'"


See my previous post.

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Quote: Yob "Malcolm, if you are going to get personal, I can give as good as I get!

I'd say that you put in a lot of time and effort, but you're past your Sell By date and cause far too many problems, such as taking delivery and paying many thousands of pounds for shirts 3/4 of the way into the season, when the problem in them being delivered so late was down to the supplier.

Also, such as negotiating to take over sponsors sponsorships and seeking the Trust members permissions to do so, then going ahead without their approval, vus depriving the club of potential sponsorship monies/donations!

In my opinion a paid Part Time employee would do a better job, so long as the person was qualified in the area they are working. With the best will in the world, somebody is going to do a better job if their income depended on it, than somebody who can come and go whenever they want and with no financial motivation.

A volunteer can be very valuable, but have them doing the jobs they can handle.

As for me putting money in to replace you, that isn't going to happen! That's up to the board to build it into the budget!'"


Do not think this is right and if you and Mal have a problem sort it away from here! This thread should be positive and maybe a bit more respect shown for people whether paid or not and also the work that everybody at the club has done. We need to move forward as a club not be held back by personal problems from the past. Onwards and Upwards Fax!!!!!

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "I think without knowing the full story people should reserve judgment before having a go at yob.I'm sure if they were in his position they would feel the same.you get someone like that who comes in to the job and does a fantastic job,brings lots of fresh ideas about how things can be improved and what happens? He gets treated like poop is what happens therby probably costing the club thousands in lost sponsorship money. But it's all good because the staff that forced him out are doing a "great"job.'"


Nobody forced me out GFB, except for the fact that I can't deal with egotistical idiots, but I could even cope with that for the benefit of the club.

The main reason I had to stand down was because I knew that the economy was going t!ts up and I would be needed more and more by my clients.

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Quote: The Lucky Black Cat "Do not think this is right and if you and Mal have a problem sort it away from here! This thread should be positive and maybe a bit more respect shown for people whether paid or not and also the work that everybody at the club has done. We need to move forward as a club not be held back by personal problems from the past. Onwards and Upwards Fax!!!!!'"


The club can't move forward until problems are sorted. Until then, it'll be held back by well meaning individuals who want to boost their own egos.

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I notice that people are having a go at me when it was me who was insulted in the first place, but it's nice to see that people have loyalty to the club.

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Yob - I really think you are out of order in posting stuff like that about Malcolm. I wouldn't type anything that i'm not pepared to say direct to a person's face. It's all getting a tad childish. Like I said in my previous post - move off the personal stuff and stick to the topic. I admit to verbally abusing a lot of people but it's generally when they're sat in front of me - as you well know icon_cool.gif

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Quote: Yob "The club can't move forward until problems are sorted. Until then, it'll be held back by well meaning individuals who want to boost their own egos.'"


The Problems do not need to be aired or sorted here in Public. This should be done elsewhere. I am not taking any sides here but just feel this Personal problem between you and Mal should be sorted away from the Public domain. What type of message does it send to new fans who look on here?
I think the thread is losing its way a little and should be pushed back on topic and how we all have a role to play to help the club grow. Some good ideas some ideas which will not work. But no wrong answers as the club and fans need to look at all options to help the Fax Brand grow in the local area.

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Quote: SID SCOOP "Yob - I really think you are out of order in posting stuff like that about Malcolm. I wouldn't type anything that i'm not pepared to say direct to a person's face. It's all getting a tad childish. Like I said in my previous post - move off the personal stuff and stick to the topic. I admit to verbally abusing a lot of people but it's generally when they're sat in front of me - as you well know
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Quote: SID SCOOP "Yob - I really think you are out of order in posting stuff like that about Malcolm. I wouldn't type anything that i'm not pepared to say direct to a person's face. It's all getting a tad childish. Like I said in my previous post - move off the personal stuff and stick to the topic. I admit to verbally abusing a lot of people but it's generally when they're sat in front of me - as you well know
In the words of Jack Nicholson - www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GdiZLdD ... ated&pos=4


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Quote: The Lucky Black Cat "The Problems do not need to be aired or sorted here in Public. This should be done elsewhere. I am not taking any sides here but just feel this Personal problem between you and Mal should be sorted away from the Public domain. What type of message does it send to new fans who look on here?
I think the thread is losing its way a little and should be pushed back on topic and how we all have a role to play to help the club grow. Some good ideas some ideas which will not work. But no wrong answers as the club and fans need to look at all options to help the Fax Brand grow in the local area.'"


I thought this was a fans forum. If the fans want to live in a fantasy world believing we have a faultless club setup then I'll shut up!

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