FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Halifax Panthers > Bulls; does it ever stop
140 posts in 10 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach503No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2018Jan 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
15769.jpg
:15769.jpg



Quote: freddies wig "To be fair, our board have taken measures to try and avoid financial crisis - 10% pay cut, no full time team, dual reg. The Bulls just carried on making the same mistakes, signing expensive players into a full time squad and believing their own hype.

On the surface, they once again failed to respond to their situation, stuck their head in the sand and thought they were above it. Once is forgivable but this is ridiculous now!'"

Freddie, I applaud Fax for the decisions your Board have made, to save cash,it couldn't have been easy and im sure from reading the posts on here it hasn't been popular,in RM you have a good young Coach,but I think next season your fan base will dwindle if the results go against you,it can be said at least you will have a Club and team to support.Obviously Bradford's troubles are of their own doing,its just a shame if they go to wall for trying to be successful.

RankPostsTeam
International Star475
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201510 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2023Jan 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Fax Machine "Looks like the Bulls are being liquidated on Friday. Apparently staff have been informed. Sad day, if true. Don't wish to see any club disappear.'"


Looks to me as if they've had a number of bidders give their BAFO (best and final offer) and they're looking at 2 of these with a view to them taking over. Don't see the Bulls disappearing at all. They may get a big points deduction but the club looks as if it is going to continue from what the guy heading the administrator is saying.

I'm sure that something will have developed by the weekend. Agree with previous posts that they have been badly mis-managed in the past, but you don't want to see any team go pop.

To be fair they bring a lot of fans and revenue to the Shay, which we badly need, and if they went we would miss their turnstile money.

But it's still good to have some friendly banter with them ........

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach503No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2018Jan 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
15769.jpg
:15769.jpg



Quote: Pellon Boy "Looks to me as if they've had a number of bidders give their BAFO (best and final offer) and they're looking at 2 of these with a view to them taking over. Don't see the Bulls disappearing at all. They may get a big points deduction but the club looks as if it is going to continue from what the guy heading the administrator is saying.

I'm sure that something will have developed by the weekend. Agree with previous posts that they have been badly mis-managed in the past, but you don't want to see any team go pop.

To be fair they bring a lot of fans and revenue to the Shay, which we badly need, and if they went we would miss their turnstile money.

But it's still good to have some friendly banter with them ........'"

Well said Dave eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif as you rightly say, we don't want any clubs going to the Wall.

RankPostsTeam
International Star4786
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
64890_1669714931.jpg
Hear All, See All, Say Nowt. Eat All, Sup All, Pay Nowt. And if Tha ever does Owt for Nowt, Allus do it for Thissen.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_64890.jpg



Quote: freddies wig "To be fair, our board have taken measures to try and avoid financial crisis - 10% pay cut, no full time team, dual reg. The Bulls just carried on making the same mistakes, signing expensive players into a full time squad and believing their own hype.

On the surface, they once again failed to respond to their situation, stuck their head in the sand and thought they were above it. Once is forgivable but this is ridiculous now!'"

Correct.

RankPostsTeam
International Star792
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2021Mar 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp015.gif
:simpsons/simp015.gif



Can't see seethe Bulls disappearing. Worst case liquidation to wipe off the alleged £2m debt on Friday and then be back up and running on Monday as RFLBulls2016 Ltd . Very tough on creditors of the club and also the fans if this happens.
Whilst they are our rivals I wouldn't wish this on those mentioned. Agree our club would also be affected from a commercial point of view if we lose this derby fixture.
I know it's currently tough for us Fax fans but things like this news for the Bulls puts things a little more in perspective.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1100No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201411 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp019.gif
:simpsons/simp019.gif



Quote: Living The Dream "Can't see seethe Bulls disappearing. Worst case liquidation to wipe off the alleged £2m debt on Friday and then be back up and running on Monday as RFLBulls2016 Ltd . Very tough on creditors of the club and also the fans if this happens.
Whilst they are our rivals I wouldn't wish this on those mentioned. Agree our club would also be affected from a commercial point of view if we lose this derby fixture.
I know it's currently tough for us Fax fans but things like this news for the Bulls puts things a little more in perspective.'"

You might be being flippant in your post but if the Bulls went into liquidation they wouldn't be back that quick. Any assets they have (and I think they have very little, no ground etc) would have to be sold to pay creditors if they are able. The players would leave as their contracts would be null and void. And they would want to play somewhere else as its their livelihood. The whole thing is a mess.

A friend of mine who is a Bulls supporter said last night at training the administrator spoke to the players to explain the situation. after talking to them they walked out and didn't train. Another sticking point on the take over bid is the RFL ownership of the ground although I haven't what the sticking point is, except would you want to do business with the RFL!

Its sad but as stated before on here its all of their owners making, time and time again. the real losers are the all the jobs that are going to be lost and for all the bulls fans who have put their money behind them in the last 5 years for it to be squandered.

RankPostsTeam
International Star4572
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 201014 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Latest from the Bulls site. Hopefully things are looking a bit better for all concerned.
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/pos ... f-the-club
Latest from the Bulls site. Hopefully things are looking a bit better for all concerned.
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/pos ... f-the-club


RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1999
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
35006_1638866888.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_35006.jpg



Although the administrator is there to rescue/rehabilitate the Bulls, they also need to ensure that this is done in the best interests of all creditors. An interesting dilemma for a sports club. From the government website on such things... "The administrator should aim to rescue the company as a going concern unless it is not reasonably practicable to do so, or a better result could be obtained for creditors by not doing so.".

I genuinely wish the Bulls well (other than on the field when Fax are playing them), but in any new incarnation they need to be realistic about their position, and forget about any "iconic" status and any associated "privileges". Fax have made mistakes (relying on a top 4 finish last year), but have reacted accordingly (including the DR deal with Salford), but Bradford still seem to be dwelling on their past glory and think they're a big club. Maybe later, but not now.

I went to the first 9's tournament in Blackpool (Fax won the plate final), and although it was hardly a great ground to watch RL, the thing that saddened me most when the club later went bust was that the RFL (as far as the public could see) gave them absolutely zero support.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach9526
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
13050.gif
[b:112mouem][color=#0000FF:112mouem][size=100:112mouem] "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."― Albert Einstein[/size:112mouem] [/color:112mouem][/b:112mouem] [b:112mouem][color=#0000FF:112mouem][size=100:112mouem] "Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." ― Gertrude Stein[/size:112mouem][/color:112mouem][/b:112mouem] [b:112mouem][color=#0000FF:112mouem][size=100:112mouem] "Don't believe everything you read on the internet" ― Abraham Lincoln [/size:112mouem][/color:112mouem][/b:112mouem]:13050.gif



It does make you wonder how the RFL were sanctioning the Bulls new signings though as you would imagine if they have a "live cap" they would also have some sort of access to club accounts.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1999
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
35006_1638866888.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_35006.jpg



Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "It does make you wonder how the RFL were sanctioning the Bulls new signings though as you would imagine if they have a "live cap" they would also have some sort of access to club accounts.'"


I think these were arranged before things went belly up for the Bulls. However, this highlights significant mismanagement, in that the club must (should?) have known they couldn't meet their future financial commitments and curtailed these new signings. Smacks of being rather amateurish or (worse) totally naive.

RankPostsTeam
International Star475
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201510 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2023Jan 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: HXSparky "I think these were arranged before things went belly up for the Bulls. However, this highlights significant mismanagement, in that the club must (should?) have known they couldn't meet their future financial commitments and curtailed these new signings. Smacks of being rather amateurish or (worse) totally naive.'"


Sparky I would replace the word naive with stupid. Cashing cheques that you can't honour is never a good idea. Which brings us back to where we started.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1999
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
35006_1638866888.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_35006.jpg



...and the RFL probably aren't blameless in all of this and at worst are complicit in the mire that the Bulls find their selves in now.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1999
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
35006_1638866888.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_35006.jpg



Quote: Pellon Boy "Sparky I would replace the word naive with stupid. Cashing cheques that you can't honour is never a good idea. Which brings us back to where we started.'"


Stupid would infer a lack of intellect, whereas naive suggests a deficit of business acumen. I think naive is probably more appropriate.

It's only words though, our thoughts align!

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2077No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2018Jan 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



The arrogance of Bradford and a number of its alleged fans knows no limits. The club has continued to make decision that saw it stay a full time club and have a bigger squad than the rest. The warning signs have been ignored for years. Bradford cheated its way to a final and won last year costing another championship club money. Even for 2017, Bradford all still set on being FT. The Bradford club deserves all what it gets for me. A number of fans seem to think that they shouldnt be punished or be in this position and that its the fault of SL clubs and the RFL etc. The fault of why Bradford are in this mess is the result of the poor decisions made by the Bradford club. Why the need for FT? Why the need to have a squad of 35? No need at all but just the arrogance that they think they are bigger that what they are.

I am grateful that we have a BOD that are realistic and that do not make decisions that put our club in the dangerous position of going bankrupt. I dont like us losing players to Batley. I dont like us doing the DR with Salford. I dont like us having to cut wages by 10%. I dont like us making news on the Stadium etc etc. But them unpopular decisions is why we have a club that is not in danger of going bust. For all the faults of our club and BOD, I feel we they never put the club in danger of ending up like Bradford. The Club and BOD make mistakes. But I am glad we have a bOD and Club like we do rather than one that lives in a fantasy world that is willing to risk killing our club off for no reason.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman3491No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



I think there's a distinction between the Bradford club and it's fans. Sure there's a blinkered minority in any set of supporters, but most Bulls fans I've come across are pretty rationale and realistic. Green bet the house on going back up, and when failed, it's all come crumbling. We're lucky that the BOD we have are prepared to make tough decisions and be realistic - whether that's down to an inherent lack of resource or some pragmatic thinking who knows. Sure they make mistakes but don't we all?

Bradford need a white knight to get them out of this mess, but you just end up with the same ego-centric attention seeker that goes missing when times get tough. Think best option for them is liquidation and restarting with supporters representations. Enough of their support base with stick with them, and most of the rest would return on promotion to championship.

140 posts in 10 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin
140 posts in 10 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


2.5751953125:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
3855
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Shopping list for 2025
Faithful One
5517
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63070
1m
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
Scarlet Pimp
7
1m
Rumours and signings v9
That Mon
28877
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
3855
2m
Pre Season - 2025
EtonStreetRi
149
4m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40580
5m
Offiah on Salary Cap
karetaker
6
9m
Film game
karetaker
5298
12m
removing posts
Dannyboywt1
3
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
Scarlet Pimp
7
TODAY
Offiah on Salary Cap
karetaker
6
TODAY
removing posts
Dannyboywt1
3
TODAY
Season pass roll call
Cuddleclub
16
TODAY
Positivity Pact
Sebasteeno
3
TODAY
Jack Coventry
Wanderer
1
TODAY
A Year to Remember
Zig
1
TODAY
2025 Annual
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
2025 KIT Thread
Sadfish
1
TODAY
NRL Kick Off Rules
stpatricks
7
TODAY
Garry Schofield
PopTart
6
TODAY
Out of contract 2025
Wires71
8
TODAY
Gary Schofield
Jake the Peg
9
TODAY
Joe Phillips
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Andy Ellis
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Manoa Wacokecoke
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jeylan Hodgson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Mackenzie Harman
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Ben Dent
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Callum Rutland
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Harry Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jack Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Garry Schofield
karetaker
12
TODAY
Lennon Bursell
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Brett Ferres
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Reece Dean
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Alex Holdstock
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Thomas Minns
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Josh Guzdek
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jamie Shaul
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
899
England's Women Demolish The W..
740
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1006
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
798
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1085
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1597
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1849
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2112
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1690
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1930
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2397
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1835
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1925
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2103
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2245
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.64M 1,082 80,15414,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
There are currently no matches to display.
Matches on TV
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
3855
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Shopping list for 2025
Faithful One
5517
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63070
1m
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
Scarlet Pimp
7
1m
Rumours and signings v9
That Mon
28877
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
3855
2m
Pre Season - 2025
EtonStreetRi
149
4m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40580
5m
Offiah on Salary Cap
karetaker
6
9m
Film game
karetaker
5298
12m
removing posts
Dannyboywt1
3
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
Scarlet Pimp
7
TODAY
Offiah on Salary Cap
karetaker
6
TODAY
removing posts
Dannyboywt1
3
TODAY
Season pass roll call
Cuddleclub
16
TODAY
Positivity Pact
Sebasteeno
3
TODAY
Jack Coventry
Wanderer
1
TODAY
A Year to Remember
Zig
1
TODAY
2025 Annual
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
2025 KIT Thread
Sadfish
1
TODAY
NRL Kick Off Rules
stpatricks
7
TODAY
Garry Schofield
PopTart
6
TODAY
Out of contract 2025
Wires71
8
TODAY
Gary Schofield
Jake the Peg
9
TODAY
Joe Phillips
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Andy Ellis
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Manoa Wacokecoke
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jeylan Hodgson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Mackenzie Harman
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Ben Dent
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Callum Rutland
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Harry Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jack Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Garry Schofield
karetaker
12
TODAY
Lennon Bursell
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Brett Ferres
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Reece Dean
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Alex Holdstock
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Thomas Minns
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Josh Guzdek
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jamie Shaul
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
899
England's Women Demolish The W..
740
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1006
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
798
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1085
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1597
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1849
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2112
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1690
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1930
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2397
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1835
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1925
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2103
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2245


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!