Regardless of SL licences or not Wheldon Road and Belle Vue whilst having an antiquated charm were on there last legs. They should have been doing this 10 years ago, at least. I would expect plenty of Cas and Wakey fans to be very defensive and patriots to the cause, but, if the current process is to have any credibility they should be dropped. Their stadium plans should still go ahead though, maybe at a more realistic pace and scale than is ambitiously predicted by die hards. I will continue to bang on about the size of Cas as a town too, it may well have a future long term in SL, but a divine right? No! get dropped, get real, take your medicine and come back later, anyone who thinks a stadium in this climate will be built on the timescales they are talking about is really struggling to comprehend the economic climate and the fact that cuts are going to go even deeper next year, belts will be tightened and both clubs need to look beyond a CAD drawing and project timeline. Modest projects, acheivable projects and sustainable products is what they should focus on.

You cant rewrite history though therefore the record sticks.

You can.

It's called Revisionism. It's when people look at the so called "facts" as written initially for the records at the time and realise that they've been written down incorrectly. People make careers out of it - they're called Historians.

Theres also the line - 'History is written by the winners'

'Lets not bicker and argue about who killed who'

Red Hall is a shower, Cas and Wakey have been a shower in meeting obligations, thats all we need to know.
The Shay project was a complete and utter shambles, all parties included.

Without HRLFC there would be no record player

Like Town never had their rent paid by HRLFC then?????

stop the squabbles children.
well done town for breaking attendance record today for their league with 4023.
they are pulling in the fans so fax can too.

I went to the Town match today & had a cracking day out, first time I've watched them for years. Great atmosphere at the match.
Shame about the Town fans that caused the rumpus in the Pump room before the game and the local lad who took a glass to his forehead, it was a bit like the good old days for half an hour or so watching what you said and who you looked at with a pretty large police presence.
I'm chuffed to bits that so many casual followers such as myself turned out in such numbers, the lads played some really nice footy and by the time the rugby starts and the playing surface isn't quite as good as it is at the moment they'll have the title sown up and be able to have a trophy cabinet of their own too.
My sides nearly split on leaving the East stand to walk into town after the match, two lines of about a dozen coppers in each line preventing the home fans from meeting up with the visiting fans at the bottom of Hunger hill and a police van blocking the road outside the Shay hotel and an elderly man asked a bobby if they were expecting the Taliban, quality end to a quality afternoon's entertainment !!!

Eh, never said otherwise. I will always admit (whilst be embarassed) to Town's faults over the years unlike you and your mates.

Sadly the thread has moved on to the Pub Football Team who frankly I have no time for. Getting back on track the RFL have to make this decision far more transparent than last time. Halifax, Barrow, Widnes have all as much right to be in SL as Wakey, Cas, Salford, Quins, Crusaders etc. Wakey are favs for the drop but there must be reasons publically stated why anybody does not get the SL Ticket. Some are ground issues and others have question marks over other areas. But for example if Wakey,Cas or Salford are picked over Fax for example I would want to know why and what Fax have to do next time. I am sure if Cas, Wakey and Salford are dropped the fans also would want to know why over Widnes or even Fax, Barrow (Or Toulouse!). The RFL also has to do something with the Championship and the clubs. We fans are not happy and yet the RFL just seem content to do little.

Pub football team who attracted the largest crowd seen at the Shay in years? A factual crowd as well, not one fabricated by the club.

Pub football in Halifax is alive and kicking.

Pub football in Halifax is alive and kicking.'"

Sorry for the late reply, been on nights then away for new year.

How far do you have to go back for fax's crowds to match those of cas though? when were both in sl cas had bigger crowds as i recall, the highest i can remember fax having was about 5k, cas have averaged about 7 k whilst in sl. Any further back than the start of sl is rather meaningles, if you go back far enough oldham, rochdale, swinton and bramley all had good crowds.Even if fax double crowds upon promotion your still going to struggle for money, even with sky money you need crowds of 10k to brake even and spend full cap, so crowds of 5k would mean you would have to have one of the cheapest squads in the league (cheaper than everyone bar quins really), and if your getting hammered every week in your first season or two your crowds will be affacted.


Unfortunatly having rl players coming from your area does not alway translate into those players playing for there local club, if we are talking about a similar geographical area, the following players come from within 5 miles of the cas ground- shenton, owen, burrow, orr, ellis, thompson, huby, ferres, langley, lynch, boyle, massey, watts, bibb, wood, southernwood, arundel, cockayne, westwood, kirmond, t.briscoe, westerman, milner, holmes and davies, all of whom played sl or nrl last year 4 of whom played for england, with a further 2 playing for the england academy.

Whilst sl money would give you more of a chance to compete for juniors, that money also needs to build a competative sqaud, cas spend well under full cap, and we have bigger crowds to support spending more than you could, cas spend alot more money on youth development than many of the teams in sl as we need to to fight off leeds, bradford, wakey and hudds. We could choose to spend more on our first team instead, but we have decided to invest in youth as clubs that do become more succesful in the long run and it satisfies one of the most important franchise criteria, it will be even more important now the number of imports is coming down and the price of those imports going up.

How fast do you think you could develop juniors? hull kr have hardly any after 4 seasons and there from an rl hot bed aswell, at cas we started spending alot more on youth development in 2004 and it wasnt until 2007 that we started benefitting from it. It would be unlikley that you could bring anyone through from scholarship level in one franchise period and even if you can do very well and bring a few through, you need 10 homegrown players in your squad now, where could fax get these from in time?

You games day corporate sales should be bigger than those of cas as we have little in the way of such facilities until we move into our new ground. In sponsorship however cas have made massive strides forwards in recent years, with a year on year increase this franchise period, and are play off contenders which makes us attractive to sponsors, if promoted would be whipping boys for at least one season more likely two, which makes sponsorship more difficult. Cas also get to keep all money made from the ground, which although i dont know the exact details i cant imagine you do, and we dont have to pay rent which will lessen the amount of money you can spend.

You did have a good year in 98, but you wouldnt be able to spend proportionatly the same compared to other teams as you did that year, you spent most of your time in sl nearer the bottom of the table. Cas have on average finished higher and have been 80 mins away from old trafford and wembley in the sl era.

If you could get a sugar daddy to set up good youth development, cover the 100's of thousands of pounds loses you would have to run up to build a competative squad on crowds of anything less than 6k attendances then you would be a good bet for sl. At the moment you dont however and i could see you going bust trying to compete in sl, look at how wakefield have done finacially in the last few years. They built a competative squad on a similar level of support to what fax could hope for, and have nearly gone into administration twice in a year despite using half the money from selling there ground to pay off debts and having about 400k in transfer fees for brough and atkins.

I'm not saying the franchise system is right or that the cards you have been dealt are fair, but under franchise system the rfl are going to pick a team that is financially stable, with crowds around 7k, has a play-off contending team and good youth development. Rather than a team that would get crowds of about 5k, be less finacially sound, would be in the bottom two for a season or two (at least) and would have to basically set up a youth development program from scratch.