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| Quote Greg Florimos Boots="Greg Florimos Boots"Its a double edged sword for the club now. By the sounds of it MC was one of very few people at the club who took a paycut even though others came out in the paper saying they had. FWIW i thought he should have got a pay rise after last year so if the board do decide to get rid it will leave a very bitter taste for MC because he probably feels he did the club a favour by doing this. He also then finds his playing budget cut but then to compound that fact he makes some of the worse signings for the club that we have seen in recent history, maybe he was under pressure from the board to get some `Halifax` lads in, who knows.
On the flip side he isnt going to resign so the board would have to get rid which would mean paying him off and from what certain players have alluded to then nobody is sure if this is even an option. Would i trust the board to get the right man? I dont really think so to be honest. I dont know much about TA but theres only IC on there who i think has the business nounce to do this right, maybe his hands are tied though. Dont get me wrong i appreciate that people have got to put their hand up to run a rugby club but are they running as tight a ship as they should be?
One things for sure the longer it goes on the more people will vote with their feet and if no action is taken one way or another it may be too late and we will be visiting some different grounds next season and they wont be SL ones.'"
You don't have to pay him off, get a new coach in and tell MC to stay at home and keep up with his weekly-monthly pay check.
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| Hasn't he only got til the end of the season on his contract??
Surely it won't cost that much to pay him off and ship him out?
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| Quote Inoffski1="Inoffski1"Hasn't he only got til the end of the season on his contract??
Surely it won't cost that much to pay him off and ship him out?'"
Exactly! its gonna cots more to keep him at this rate, look at how the crowds are dwindling... Some bad business deals have been going on recently, bringing back old players, X Blades, too many coaches, we are BY NO MEANS MAXIMISUNG OUR POTENTIAL on or off the field.
Don't get me wrong, I actually think Matts a good bloke, I've met him numerous times and even bought him a beer and i genuinely think he'll make a great No2 in Rugby, but hes not head coach material, plain and simple. Learning on the job with us has gone as far as it can, he needs to work under someone else to get his stripes. He just seems to have copied the Brian Smith way, only its too risky with poorer players.
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| Quote johnny freeman fan club="johnny freeman fan club"Roger ? if you mean Roger Harvey he isn`t on the board it`s Mike Riley , Michael Steele , Ian Croad and Tony Abbot. I also have the highest regard for these men and would not like to be on their position that`s for sure.
Thank you for that factual update however I stand by my suggestion that Roger will have a major say in the issue.
As for Tony & Ian I'm afraid I don't know enough about either to give them my respect up to this point. No axe to grind with them, just hope they earn their their spurs with the big decision required.
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| By my reckoning we have played 13 competitive games this season plus a full pre season programme and two team building events. We have won just two games against teams playing at the same level as us and struggled frankly against some of the lower league sides. At what point is is supposed to get better?
The truth is that it isn't going to get better because Matt doesn't know what to do. We have been a defensive shambles fro 3 years but now we are being truly exposed for it. This isn't bad players it is poor positioning and reading of the game which comes down to coaching. To have the same failings in a side for several years but with many different players tells you the problem. Yesterday we shipped 3 tries to lose the game all down the same channel. Jones and Holly are both weak defensively and White isn't the greatest either in that department so why the hell were those 3 defending the left flank together. For it to happen once is fair enough but to stand on the gantry and not see th eproblem and move players around to fix it is negligent. Matt's problem is that he doesn't see it.
In attack we are becoming increasingly benign as well. We seem unable to do basic stuff. Forwards are aiming at men not gaps, Jones only runs sideways or diagonally and nobody knows what Holly is going to do because he makes it up as he goes along. When can you last remember our forwards taking up the ball and wearing down the opposition? After two tackles someone feels the need to start spraying the ball around globetrotter style....and then we lose it. The reason we don't kick into the corner from a penalty is that we don't know what to do with it 10 yards out because you can't play "off the cuff" from there.
These are all coaching issues not ability issues. Yes we have lost some players but overall this is a decent squad that is underperforming because it is disorganised and has no discipline.
We are headed for relegation, no question about that. Suspect too many people at the club think it just won't happen and everything will click at some point. Please wake up because it isn't going to suddenley click and before long it will be too late to do anything about it.
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| Quote The Scratchin shed ghost="The Scratchin shed ghost"By my reckoning we have played 13 competitive games this season plus a full pre season programme and two team building events. We have won just two games against teams playing at the same level as us and struggled frankly against some of the lower league sides. At what point is is supposed to get better?
The truth is that it isn't going to get better because Matt doesn't know what to do. We have been a defensive shambles fro 3 years but now we are being truly exposed for it. This isn't bad players it is poor positioning and reading of the game which comes down to coaching. To have the same failings in a side for several years but with many different players tells you the problem. Yesterday we shipped 3 tries to lose the game all down the same channel. Jones and Holly are both weak defensively and White isn't the greatest either in that department so why the hell were those 3 defending the left flank together. For it to happen once is fair enough but to stand on the gantry and not see th eproblem and move players around to fix it is negligent. Matt's problem is that he doesn't see it.
In attack we are becoming increasingly benign as well. We seem unable to do basic stuff. Forwards are aiming at men not gaps, Jones only runs sideways or diagonally and nobody knows what Holly is going to do because he makes it up as he goes along. When can you last remember our forwards taking up the ball and wearing down the opposition? After two tackles someone feels the need to start spraying the ball around globetrotter style....and then we lose it. The reason we don't kick into the corner from a penalty is that we don't know what to do with it 10 yards out because you can't play "off the cuff" from there.
These are all coaching issues not ability issues. Yes we have lost some players but overall this is a decent squad that is underperforming because it is disorganised and has no discipline.
We are headed for relegation, no question about that. Suspect too many people at the club think it just won't happen and everything will click at some point. Please wake up because it isn't going to suddenley click and before long it will be too late to do anything about it.'"
I agree with this post 110% I am now too becoming very worried about the unthinkable relegation as teams like York that I thought would keep us up have recruited recently and had 2 wins on the spin. I have heard if we was given the green light for Super League the bored would have £4 million of funds within a hour if this is the case why cant they raise a small percentage of that now and pay off matt, bring in a decent coach and replace the dead wood in the squad? Something needs to be done to stop the rot. Super League we're having a laugh.
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| I too heard about the £4M remark!! It will cost apparently £100k collectively to both remove and replace Calland!! Money well spent considering the alternatives that we are currently facing!
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| What a pointless thread this is....
I wasn't going to pass comment on this poll until I read some if the utter garbage & personal insults aimed at individuals on the club's board of directors, absolutely shameful.
I know a couple of these gentleman rather well and totally admire the work they've put into resurecting our club from some of the disasters that have been part of our history in not many years gone by. I wouldn't blame them if they locked their office doors one day and never came back to face this sort of abuse. Tony Gartland & his family didn't have to put up with it and he voted with his feet, I hope this doesn't happen again.
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| I agree MM. To actually have a vote about whether someone should lose their job is quite shameful. Fair enough, pass comment if you think MC has taken the club as far as he can but to take it one step further and have a poll is in poor taste.
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| Yeah Gav I agree. OK, I go with the discussions about being in the entertainment business & also about a results based/performance related earnings, but this guy Calland took a pay cut for being the GF champion winner, some people have very short memories when it suits them.
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| Quote marillion man="marillion man"What a pointless thread this is....
I wasn't going to pass comment on this poll until I read some if the utter garbage & personal insults aimed at individuals on the club's board of directors, absolutely shameful.
I know a couple of these gentleman rather well and totally admire the work they've put into resurecting our club from some of the disasters that have been part of our history in not many years gone by. I wouldn't blame them if they locked their office doors one day and never came back to face this sort of abuse. Tony Gartland & his family didn't have to put up with it and he voted with his feet, I hope this doesn't happen again.'"
To be fair I don't think there has any personal insults against members of the board, in fact most have said that they have the utmost respect for them, there isn't even personal insults toward Calland, more questioning his coaching ability.
I think perhaps a poll is a bit too far, but come on MM you can't honestly say you are happy with what you are watching week in week out?
Apart from the obvious relegation potential, the other worry is what it is doing to the crowd figures.
As bad as the bulls are playing I fear a cricket score on national TV.
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| Quote spanishbob="spanishbob"To be fair I don't think there has any personal insults against members of the board, in fact most have said that they have the utmost respect for them, there isn't even personal insults toward Calland, more questioning his coaching ability.
I think perhaps a poll is a bit too far, but come on MM you can't honestly say you are happy with what you are watching week in week out?
Apart from the obvious relegation potential, the other worry is what it is doing to the crowd figures.
As bad as the bulls are playing I fear a cricket score on national TV.'"
I don't watch "week in, week out" I very rarely go to away games nowadays & missed the Leigh game at home the other week cos I have interest in junior RL which interferes with kick off times on sunday afternoons, I also work shifts so miss occassional evening matches. I also feel we'll get whacked next weekend but bought a ticket anyway. I'd like to know how people can jusdge a coach when they're not present at training sessions, maybe some players have got loose tongues, maybe some of us listen to too many rumours, who knows ?
All I do know is, some of the players aren't putting the effort in, in my opinion. I heard the Fax fans getting onto the ref yesterday but I thought he had a good game & I understand the penalty count went 8-6 in our favour, so hey, guess what, we've got a fairly disciplined side giving away a penalty every 13-14 mins on average compared to Barrow who averaged one evvery 10 mins.
I just feel there's an awful lot of desperation amongst us all at the moment. The B.O.D. Matt & the players will be feeling it but the difference is, they can do something about it, the only thing we as speccies can do is attempt to lift our team. If it wasn't for the Barrow fans making some noise yesterday the south stand would have been like a morgue.
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