Lol! That's a fair point re the scoreboard mate. Last Sunday was terrible, one of my worst days in over 60 years supporting Fax!

Always two sides to a story and never beleive the spin.King came here as Whitehaven's star man to further his career,to be told he wasn't good enough and sat in the stands..wouldn't we all want to leave in that scenario.Doro was dropped and castigated long before any perceived issue.Springer offered more in ten minutes spells than other forwards who are busy for 80 mins but produce nothing.
Looking at current players..Tangata now a liability-Larroyer not far behind.Moore-annoys me that he's on the field.Fairbank-where's the offload game ? I could go on..suffice to say it's all stale and not working and needs a complete refresh.

Pete it’s never easy following a team like Fax , I’ve have years of watching Leigh , I know your BOD work hard to get things right , keep the faith .

Again almost examples of trying to punish players before even giving them a fair chance with King and Doro. Maybe that suggests that Grix didn't have much to do with their signings as it seems strange to sign players and then come out in public and put them down, surely it would make sense to build them up but its never happened with those two along with others.

If we had beaten Batley most of these posts wouldn’t have been written

You'd be happy working alongside team members who didn't work as hard then whilst getting paid more? Jouffret and Walmsley had a transitional issue when they came from haven but were prepared to knuckle down and work on the areas they need to.

As for Tyrer and Murrell, both at end of their careers, we'd seen the best of them, most on here always complained about Murrell particularly in his latter years with us. Worthington went for more money. Arundel, didn't pull up any trees but i thought he did an ok job and defensively we were stronger with both of them. But again and if is true re his attitude (and I don't know) the impact on the team has to be considered.

But like you say there are 2 sides to every story, doesn't mean we have to go with yours

If we are bringing players in without the Coach's approval it's no wonder we're struggling.A coach working in conjuction with his scouting system identifies targets required to enhance the team and then approaches the footballing director to provide the necessary backing and finance-it surely can't work another way...?

Firstly,that happens everywhere,but that's the judgement call of the boss to determine if he brings other things to the business that are otherwise lacking.
Secondly I totally agree,you may well be 100% correct as it's only opinions-but what is certain is things need to change..

Possibly not but there has been a lingering feeling within a lot of people for a while.

There is no shame in losing to Batley, but it is the matter in which we got beat that has upset people

Some players have more natural ability than others so don't have to work as hard (I've previously mentioned Paul Newlove who virtually didn't train at all but was one of GB's best ever centres). So what's the point in these naturally gifted players having to bust a gut in training when they don't really have to? Snookerer Ronnie O Sullivan hardly practices but is far better than rivals who practice 7 days a week. It's how it is.

Snooker isn't a team game though.

Irrelevant. I was arguing the point that some players don't need to train as hard as others. Will Messi and Ronaldo train their socks off? Maybe. Maybe not. To drop potential game breakers just because they don't work hard in training seems quite absurd to me. As long as they do the bizz on the day, it shouldn't really matter.

But are they doing the business on the day, may bust the odd tackle which is what we fans see and stands out to us. But then they can't be a**d getting back into the defensive line (or aren't fit enough cos they don't train hard) so their teammates have to cover for them.

It may well be ludicrous to you doing the right thing by the club when he has clearly lost the players confidence but not me. And It may well be a thing of the past where a coach or manager would fall on their sword instead of having to be sacked purely for financial reasons.