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Listen up makes some very valid points, the ‘rot’ started way back in the 80’s when Sundays became another working day, for myself at that time I had to work on a Sunday this stopped me from attending many games, maybe you could blame the government of the day for allowing Sunday trading!
Whilst I am sure were Fax more successful additional local sponsors would see it as a marketing opportunity, however with very little outside exposure in media terms and companies having to carefully consider where to advertise Rugby league comes way down the list.
I am not an avid Halifax Courier reader, however the coverage of any sport bar association football is pathetic. It is not as though the football is tearing up a pathway to the Premier League.
Another point that has been made over and over, why can’t both Football and Rugby form a partnership?, one reason from reports I read and read between the lines so to speak, whilst there are bigoted board directors of one or other of the clubs(allegedly) this will never happen.
Again I am not privy to how the Council run the Shay or the terms of the contract signed, but not having a profit share from bar takings?, and dining packages circa £50 a pop, where do the contractors think ordinary people have that spare change in this day and age?
I do not claim to have the answers but as my dear mum used to say to me and my siblings, if I knocked your heads together would it put some sense into them, take note all 3 protagonists ( football,rugby,council) because if professional sport dies in Halifax so does a lot of free advertising as little as it may be in the media, unless the Piece Hall is going to be the saviour and future of Halifax.
You may and will be correct in saying, “ you left here, why do you care?” Yes I did but I am a proud Halifaxian and would love to shove down other expats throats that we have a town to be proud of, especially a rugby league team.
End of sermon

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As I've said before There isn't an answer, it's all too deep rooted and they can't get out of it.

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Quote: faxcar "As with the hotel reviews some people are just serial moaners who have never run anything, haven't got the means or ability to do so and have no idea of how to do so themselves and frankly their not qualified.

Others doing the finger pointing have failed in running their own businesses and listening to bad advice from amateurs or failures will only make the situation worse.

The proof is in the pudding because the bigger picture shows.

It's not just one hotel (Fax) though is it, most of the clubs are losing millions and many are on the brink.

Are all the BoD's at these other clubs not trying to improve and incapable of running their clubs then, is it only at Fax?

Are there underlying reasons why the game is dying across the sport, yes and many of them have been aired multiple times on the same public platforms including by the same ones doing the slagging off.

Just a few of them are.
IMG are a complete waste of time.
The RFL are the most incompetent governing body in sport.
The SL clubs are only concerned about themselves and are taking all the money whilst using the other clubs for their own ends.
The entire system needs changing.

This ones the best which most if not everyone would agree with.

Without a multimillionaire sugar daddy we've no chance, well we haven't got a sugar daddy so we've no chance then.

It's money that makes the world go round and the root causes are now too deeply ingrained and the clubs have become unsustainable at current levels as can be clearly seen.

Just as with many of us it's getting to the point we can't afford to go to the game it's getting to the point where the clubs can't afford to be able to run the game and their caught in the net and can't disengage.

I'm sure with hindsight every club could have done better but I'm just as sure that the way things are no matter what they do isn't going to be enough and slagging people off for not being able to fix the unfixable certainly isn't the answer.'"

Well, Faxcar, your first four mentioned points are absolutely valid complaints/reasons. Anyone thinking or believing otherwise is deluded. Also it would be helpful if the hotels weren't full of illegals. If we could get in one we might just be able to add up correctly and plant the seeds to grow a proper forest where all the insects have an even chance of growing up. Finally, the one point that i hear more than anything else including cost/leaving Thrum Hall/playing Sundays in't summer is lack of P&R. Every conversation on RL i have nowadays seems to end up with 'what's the point'? That is something I find very hard to argue against.

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Quote: faxcar "As I've said before There isn't an answer, it's all too deep rooted and they can't get out of it.'"


Of course there's an answer. There's a solution to every problem.

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Quote: Tony Fax "Of course there's an answer. There's a solution to every problem.'"

Well what is it then that has any chance of all the parties involved agreeing to and will actually be implemented?

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Slightly off topic but Ive been thinking more about ticket pricing because I don't normally take much notice but I have been seeing more adverts for this Sundays game which is great but I just wonder the clubs thinking around the young adult pricing and age range. I think something needs to be done in this area as I think we would all agree money is getting tighter and tighter but I just don't get the age range and the thinking behind it.

A lot of young ones now are in education till at least 18 so the age range of 16-18 are quite unlikely to be able to afford the prices that the club charge at the moment and I don't know if this is just me but it seems to be reflected in the demographic on the terraces almost as though there is a whole generation of people missing as the club has done a lot of work in the community which is fantastic and every week you see the young kids around the stadium but then it just seems to be a lot of the older generations after that. Maybe a re-think of the pricing and age ranges for the young adult tickets are needed.

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Young people especially children with an adult should be free, others from 16-18 should be something like £5.

PS: and anyone on here with a user name from G to T should be charged double. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: faxcar "Well what is it then that has any chance of all the parties involved agreeing to and will actually be implemented?'"


There's been quite a few suggestions on here, and although not ideal and quite painful, are probably better than the status quo. Just because you don't agree with the ideas it doesn't mean nothing can be done.

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Quote: Tony Fax "There's been quite a few suggestions on here, and although not ideal and quite painful, are probably better than the status quo. Just because you don't agree with the ideas it doesn't mean nothing can be done.'"

The question was, what was the chances of all the parties involved agreeing to any of the ideas on here or anywhere else and implementing them?

It’s not about what I think seeing because I’m not one of the players who have to agree.

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Quote: faxcar "The question was, what was the chances of all the parties involved agreeing to any of the ideas on here or anywhere else and implementing them?

It’s not about what I think seeing because I’m not one of the players who have to agree.'"


You pointed out that Bradford and Fev blocked a motion for a TV deal. It's ridiculous that just a couple of clubs can block stuff. The clubs HAVE to get together and a minority shouldn't be allowed to veto motions. Otherwise all clubs will continue to lose circa £200k a year and we all know where that'll eventually end up.

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Quote: Tony Fax "You pointed out that Bradford and Fev blocked a motion for a TV deal. It's ridiculous that just a couple of clubs can block stuff. The clubs HAVE to get together and a minority shouldn't be allowed to veto motions. Otherwise all clubs will continue to lose circa £200k a year and we all know where that'll eventually end up.'"

I don't think the mooted tv deal was worth owt like £200,000 a year for championship clubs.

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Quote: Hudd-Shay "I don't think the mooted tv deal was worth owt like £200,000 a year for championship clubs.'"


I wasn't suggesting a TV deal would cover losses. My point was getting all the clubs together to make fundamental changes, the TV deal just being an example of the tail wagging the dog.

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You can’t solve a problem, but you can solve a negative situation

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Quote: Tony Fax "You pointed out that Bradford and Fev blocked a motion for a TV deal. It's ridiculous that just a couple of clubs can block stuff. The clubs HAVE to get together and a minority shouldn't be allowed to veto motions. Otherwise all clubs will continue to lose circa £200k a year and we all know where that'll eventually end up.'"


It was more than just Bulls and Rovers.

Against were Bradford, Batley, Dewsbury, Doncaster, Featherstone, Wakefield and Widnes.

For were Swinton, Halifax, York, Barrow, Sheffield and Toulouse.

Didn't vote. Whitehaven.

The RFL didn't have to accept the vote and could have forced it through but decided to do nothing.

That apart it's just an example of the difficulties of getting anyone to agree on anything and getting it implemented.

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Fair enough,majority against...think it was a paltry figure on offer anyway...

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