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You're getting rid of a lot of players there. Now then, who you going to replace them with ?????

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Quote: Fuzzy Duck "I notice one or 2 people have a go at Calland, and they're getting shot down. But let's face it ....

He seems to be unable to handle a crisis. We lost 2 bad matches leading up to this so should have been at least up for it against a very average Haven side, who looked 'nackered after 30 minutes. Yet we conceded FIFTY points at HOME in our own back yard at a crucial part of the season. Now that's bad, that's VERY bad. Thanks Matt for bringing an exciting team together. But when the chips are down, you're out of the kitchen.

Now the players .....

Penky and Black, being 2 of the most senior and so called "diamonds" of the team should have stood up and be counted today. But they were worse than appalling. Penky cannot pass, so why does Calland keep picking him at half back? And why can't he pick the ball up from the play the ball ... how many times? 3? 4?

And I know People will squawk like mad when I say this. But I have always thought it. Worrincy is total "rubbish" (and rubbish is a polite word). He nearly failed to score when my 2 year old niece would have touched down under the sticks. He dances around and never runs forward. And when he admittedly caught the ball in goal but was adjudged not to, he still pist about and instead of getting his shoulder down and forcing his way out, he was caught in goal.

My final view is ...

I know Calland is young and done a decent job, but he's not good enough. Pay him off and get a proven coach.
Get rid of Black and Penky. On their day, very good off the cuff exciting players, but when the going gets tough at play off time, they can't hack it.

Get rid of Worrincy, Patterson, [sizeGoddard and Royston[/size. Not good enough for a top of the league team.

Sorry if I've upset anyone with my views, just the way I see it.

Fuz'"


we'll take them pair of your hands.

Infact Goddard is already a........................... oops

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Quote: littlerich "You're getting rid of a lot of players there. Now then, who you going to replace them with ?????'"




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Careful now, the minority won't like this.As for the majority, well they showed there opinions at half time.

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Quote: Fuzzy Duck "I notice one or 2 people have a go at Calland, and they're getting shot down. But let's face it ....

He seems to be unable to handle a crisis. We lost 2 bad matches leading up to this so should have been at least up for it against a very average Haven side, who looked 'nackered after 30 minutes. Yet we conceded FIFTY points at HOME in our own back yard at a crucial part of the season. Now that's bad, that's VERY bad. Thanks Matt for bringing an exciting team together. But when the chips are down, you're out of the kitchen.

Now the players .....

Penky and Black, being 2 of the most senior and so called "diamonds" of the team should have stood up and be counted today. But they were worse than appalling. Penky cannot pass, so why does Calland keep picking him at half back? And why can't he pick the ball up from the play the ball ... how many times? 3? 4?

And I know People will squawk like mad when I say this. But I have always thought it. Worrincy is total "rubbish" (and rubbish is a polite word). He nearly failed to score when my 2 year old niece would have touched down under the sticks. He dances around and never runs forward. And when he admittedly caught the ball in goal but was adjudged not to, he still pist about and instead of getting his shoulder down and forcing his way out, he was caught in goal.

My final view is ...

I know Calland is young and done a decent job, but he's not good enough. Pay him off and get a proven coach.
Get rid of Black and Penky. On their day, very good off the cuff exciting players, but when the going gets tough at play off time, they can't hack it.

Get rid of Worrincy, Patterson, Goddard and Royston. Not good enough for a top of the league team.

Sorry if I've upset anyone with my views, just the way I see it.

Fuz'"


I would also like to see who you would choose instead of these players? OK! you have a point about the chips being down but just slagging the coach and players off wont solve the problem. At the begining of the season we would have settled for a top four finish but some of our fans are now thinking we are better than we actually are. We have to be realistic within the constraints of a buget. So please tell me your players?

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Quote: Fuzzy Duck "I notice one or 2 people have a go at Calland, and they're getting shot down. But let's face it ....

He seems to be unable to handle a crisis. We lost 2 bad matches leading up to this so should have been at least up for it against a very average Haven side, who looked 'nackered after 30 minutes. Yet we conceded FIFTY points at HOME in our own back yard at a crucial part of the season. Now that's bad, that's VERY bad. Thanks Matt for bringing an exciting team together. But when the chips are down, you're out of the kitchen.

Now the players .....

Penky and Black, being 2 of the most senior and so called "diamonds" of the team should have stood up and be counted today. But they were worse than appalling. Penky cannot pass, so why does Calland keep picking him at half back? And why can't he pick the ball up from the play the ball ... how many times? 3? 4?

And I know People will squawk like mad when I say this. But I have always thought it. Worrincy is total "rubbish" (and rubbish is a polite word). He nearly failed to score when my 2 year old niece would have touched down under the sticks. He dances around and never runs forward. And when he admittedly caught the ball in goal but was adjudged not to, he still pist about and instead of getting his shoulder down and forcing his way out, he was caught in goal.

My final view is ...

I know Calland is young and done a decent job, but he's not good enough. Pay him off and get a proven coach.
Get rid of Black and Penky. On their day, very good off the cuff exciting players, but when the going gets tough at play off time, they can't hack it.

Get rid of Worrincy, Patterson, Goddard and Royston. Not good enough for a top of the league team.

Sorry if I've upset anyone with my views, just the way I see it.

Fuz'"


you have got rid of half the team- if you have gone that far you might as well get rid of them all and sign some of the fans up to play the rest of the season.

i dont understand some of our fans- dont know if anyone has noticed we are joint tp of the league- we were always going to have a bad speel we were never going to go all season unbeaten, i think our early season form gave some people the idea we were invinsible we are not teams can beat us, the early form has got the fans to excited and now they think we should be invisible.

i agree with the worrincey comment he has done nothing and runs sideways.

We cant get rid of Goddard he is one of the best centres in the league he just never gets the chance to get the ball because we have so many creative players up the middles of the pitch we never get it out wide to much we started to towards the end of the game and goddard did well with a few things when he got the ball

the next point i will make is, people always say teams are offside on the opposition fair enough that may be true on occastions but i noticed something today we dont use the forwards neraly enough on our own line or anywhere on the pitch really. the amount of times Haley and Worrincey picked up from dummy half and ran it 5 metres from our line instead of passing it to the forwards which we should have been doing then we might make more yards up the pitch.

Patterson has become one of the best goal kickers in the team and again we have so many good players up the centre of the pitch we never get it wide that often.

i think we need to give Bowman his chance, we need to get a good winger to replace worrincey he has done nothing to be fair he comes in feild to get the ball and runs sideways.

i never thought we should have got rid of lee greenwood he scored tries for fun in the last season has good pace and knows how to finish.

rant over.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "Careful now, the minority won't like this.As for the majority, well they showed there opinions at half time.'"


..............and at full time? Were they booing? Nope.

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Quote: faxlad66 "I would also like to see who you would choose instead of these players? OK! you have a point about the chips being down but just slagging the coach and players off wont solve the problem. At the begining of the season we would have settled for a top four finish but some of our fans are now thinking we are better than we actually are. We have to be realistic within the constraints of a buget. So please tell me your players?'"


I don't like slagging players or staff of. But it's the players and staff who keep telling us fans just how good they are in the media. Anyone in the know must cringe at the things that are written or said in the press. After all. All they have to do is perform to the best of their ability and shut the doubters up. Now that can't be too hard, or can it??

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Quote: Tortured Soul "Hello, Fuzzy. I've missed you. Where've you been?
I've never left, TS, as well you know icon_smile.gif

The rest of you, as for getting rid of half the team, don't make me laugh. 50 ...... FIFTY points at home!!!!!!!! Give me a break. Should be all the team. But the buck stops with Calland. He has to go, Faz out? Calland out. Nice bloke, started well, but he's going the same way as many other young not good enough coaches. Remember TA? Sweet dreams.

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Quote: Fuzzy Duck "I've never left, TS, as well you know
he has only taken us to joint top in the league after all.

he is doing fine. the players are low on confidence they are having the bad spell that everyone goes through at some point.

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Quote: Fuzzy Duck "I've never left, TS, as well you know
So where are your replacements ? Its ok stating your opinion on who goes but what about the alternative???????????????????????????

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Quote: littlerich "..............and at full time? Were they booing? Nope.'"


Just papering over the cracks im afraid. I guess everyone was highly delighted that we had come back to get within a whisker of a team that has put a half century on us at home. icon_rolleyes.gif
At least in the paper they can say that our performance came out of the blue, who would have guessed we would buck our ideas up and give them a game?

As for the coach well anyone who has watched RL over the years can tell we have being missing a standoff. Govin comes on and we look a different team in attack. Yet when he is out injured the only true stand off at the club is watching from the stands and has been told he wont figure for us this season but hasnt being given a reason why. Penkys passing is crap quite frankly and hes being made to look a complete prat when played at six as for Beswick bring back Alan Platt.
Our pack has gone missing when it matters the most, we bring in a guy whos not good enough for Widnes but goes straight into the team but has shown nothing to suggest why he is keeping his place, guess thats good for team morale.

Calland has had so many foot in mouth moments this season its unbelievable but on his side he is young and learning but since the pressure has being on us the team has fallen way short of the mark.
Anyone fancy putting money on us to win our last four?

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I question the Coaching staff when they come out with "Best by a Country Mile"-despite winning bugger all! Other qoutes like "We do not know where that performance came from" Mr Ball in the week and "We have time to sort it out". I am sorry but Fax have an inexperienced coaching setup. We have IMHO too many players not playing in their position- Beswick, Penky at 6, Shad at 13 or 4 etc.

The players are great at off the cuff stuff that looks good when it works but when it doesnt there seems to be no game plan. They look lost without a proper number 6 and a quality kicker who can dig the team out of trouble. Its been obvious for months (Sheffield game) that if teams bully us we have little go forward and little game plan outside of the chip over the top.

Worrincy is simply fast and strong but has problems running straight and is a liability. Sorry but he just does not good enough. A couple of others I think will be gone. We have a nucleus of good players but we need a 6 who is not injured most the season and who can take the pressure of Black and Penky. We need forwards who run on to the ball and at gaps not ones that think they are halfbacks. We need players who can do the basics. We need a leader. Obviously money is tight but thats no excuse for the way the team put in performances. The players and Coaching staff need to look at themselves and question if they deserve to be here much longer as people will not put up with performances like the last 3 games.

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