By all accounts released by the club to take up an opportunity at Widnes.

I know his form at the back end of the season was not great(He was not the only one) and he seems to be on the fringes this season but you have to feel he should have been given an opportunity to regain his form. Losing size from a pack that gets outmuscled in most games does not fill me with confidence unless we have a replacement lined up.

Yes I had heard the same. I think he was very disappointing last season after a very strong one the year before. Whilst I agree you wouldn't want to lose size from the pack, he hasn't really added any muscle in either attack or defence of late. Either way we are pretty short on numbers and you'd hope we have something planned to deal with this before the league season kicks off.

Yes, i agree with both the above posts. Disappointing but let's see who comes in as a replacement.

No great loss...our pack has needed a massive restructure for ages.Will take time but hopefully Finny will get the right balance eventually....

Did we not just sign a prop from Leeds

Not a world beater but a good solid reliable prop who always gave his all and rarely made mistakes or gave away stupid penalties. As others have said I'll reserve judgement until I see who if anyone, we get to replace him, but my initial feeling is disappointment at losing a good servant to the club who should just be coming into his prime.

Dan is a good lad to have around the club but i have to judge his performances on the pitch. When you compare his form last season with the year before there was a drop off not just from him a number of players lost form so for me as long as we have someone better lined up i think this is best for both parties.

Dan is a shadow of the player compared to when he first came on DR from Salford, and has gradually gone backwards each season. Did very well at first but times move on, that's life!

Agreed...that's three,Maher/Moore, of the forwards I wouldnt have had under 2024 contract that Finny's shifted.Finding the right ones in replacement is obviously the issue...

True, which raises questions about Simon Grix's judgment.

Heard he's in charge of the attack and discipline at Hull...how's that working out ?

I think those questions were answered before the start of last season when he offloaded 2 very good centres and went in to the season without a recognised centre as a replacement. That said it was still a surprise when Finn didn't bring in another centre which does leave the suspicion that many of us suspected about moving JWH to centre.

The problem in our league is that a lot of teams are struggling for the same positions which you feel they must have a replacement lined up for Murray otherwise it would not make sense to further weaken a pack that already gets rolled most weaks.

Was talking about Props and their impact the other day.

SL prop signs for a Championship side, often mid season, their fitness is generally better with having come from the full time environment, and they are often stand out players in a side, but more often than not after a year or so they no longer stand out and are just squad members, not even automatic picks.

We've had an abundance of forwards over the last few years who have been decent enough for Championship level, but we've not had any stand out props for a while

Yep, Dan when full time was lean and mean but put unwanted timber on. A few times he got pushed back last season, never would have happened a few seasons back, he got dropped for a reason. We all like to remember players in their prime and that they'll eventually regain their touch but more often than not it never happens.

It's a fair point Brew-just hope Lannon doesnt go same way..