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Quote: Listenup94 "Personally I like Grix , his communication skills have improved with the media and he comes across well in his interviews. As regards ‘ star players ‘ we have signed , you get picked on form not status and I’m pretty sure subjectively Grix doesn’t look at them as stars , Grix played under one of the best coaches of super league in tony smith he played in grand finals he played with legends like lee briers , Adrian Morley etc in pretty sure he isn’t remotely intimidated by Lachlan walmsley and Louis jouffret. Personally I don’t understand the jouffret thing but then again I don’t spend all week analysing the games or working with them in training and neither do I have Simon Grixs ‘ cv , we didn’t lose against Batley or Widnes because of grixs’ coaching decisions we lost because of individual errors or individuals giving silly penalties away . It’s seems pretty obvious why Grix picked salty , barber , arundal , McComb

I'm glad i've read someone saying they understand why LW isn't in the team. It was blindingly obvious that it wasn't a day for him. You need wingers who will make metres on a boggy pitch, LW isn't built for that.

I disagree when Simon said in his post match interview that he didn't bring Jouffret on because Brandon was ok out there and didn't need to come off. Brandon was blowing for the last 20 minutes and made some poor judgements out of dummy half causing our halves to play some silly passes as Widnes' defence were already in their faces.

I think all in all it came down to poor kicking, ill discipline and individual errors (Many have already said this). These games happen unfortunately but we have to turn up at Workington next week.

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Quote: faxcar "Yes. I called it immediately at the game, Eribe Doro made the pass, a little pop up ball move and later in the same set scored the try but after careful consideration I can’t see how focusing on that helps us with the question in hand about the pack.

So to pontificate or not to pontificate is that the question, is that even a question?

Anyway Hudds if you don’t behave I’ll suggest that the solution is DR, DR and more DR. Don't start that! icon_lol.gif It's also interesting to see the penalty count. It's not how many you get sometimes, it's whereabouts on't pitch you get 'em. As you rightly say it doesn't help us with the debate about the pack but remember we lost this game by one point. icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:

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Quote: Hudd-Shay "Don't start that! I was wrong about the penalty count and thought at the game there was more conceded by us.
The timing of them as well was a sickener, we finally started to get some momentum and the home support something to get behind them and then d040.gif stuff, game gone icon_frustrated.gif
All part and parcel of being a Fax fan as we all well know.

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One of the main turning points for me was when we had just defended our line and got a relieving penalty only for our captain to throw an awful pass above a forwards head that was knocked on. If that does not scream to a coach that a player is fatigued then I really don't know what else will. Then with about 6 minutes to go the same player takes the wrong option, runs round in a circle, and we end up trying to get a drop goal off in the mudbath area of the pitch. Im a massive Moore fan but I can't help but think that the reason Jouffret was left on the bench was to prove a point, its the same way that Joe Martin has been brought in to play fullback and Walmsley has been made the scapegoat and has not had a look in.

Last year I said the same thing about the Springer signing, Grix must have known exactly the type of player he were getting when he signed him and for this season its like he is seeing something he does not like in a few of the players sitting out which could suggest a lack of research on the signings.

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Moore is a top player in this division but I say again, I don't think making him captain has done him or the team any good.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "One of the main turning points for me was when we had just defended our line and got a relieving penalty only for our captain to throw an awful pass above a forwards head that was knocked on. If that does not scream to a coach that a player is fatigued then I really don't know what else will. Then with about 6 minutes to go the same player takes the wrong option, runs round in a circle, and we end up trying to get a drop goal off in the mudbath area of the pitch. Im a massive Moore fan but I can't help but think that the reason Jouffret was left on the bench was to prove a point, its the same way that Joe Martin has been brought in to play fullback and Walmsley has been made the scapegoat and has not had a look in.

Last year I said the same thing about the Springer signing, Grix must have known exactly the type of player he were getting when he signed him and for this season its like he is seeing something he does not like in a few of the players sitting out which could suggest a lack of research on the signings.'"

On Jouffret can’t make my mind up wether with Wood missing leaving him out of the 17 completely would have been an even bigger statement (and he’d done that against London) than after including him and not even to get on the field.
Grix stated that both he and Finny had a similar game plan just rolling the same middles on and off the field.
From that I can only think that LJ was on the bench to give cover for the 1,6,7 & 9 slots which I suppose makes sense.
If that was the case and even if Brandon was still okay for the full 80, when chasing the game at the end LJ could have come on for one of the halves, say Aston to bring a bit of extra zip and momentum to the side, so we’ve focussed on the 9 slot but other options were possible.
Downside of that it would have used up one of the bigger middle interchanges SG had based his game plan on.
Anyway, all conjecture and I for one am always wiser after the event, it didn’t happen and we’ll never know.

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