1. Marshall is a good coach, but has alot to learn especially at this level. However I feel he is the right man for the job and is thinking long term rather than short term. It makes me sick how fickle a number of people are. Every coach we have calls for he is clueless and we are rubbish etc etc. Who else shall we get as coach? Nobody that we can either afford or has the passion and understanding of Marshall. Maybe we can give the guy a bit of a break, instead of constantly over expecting and then moaning! Its rare you can get instant success and we need to build to get where we want to be. Sometimes we will go back-like much f this season. But maybe the team needs this to go forward and see and learn that rather than last year.

2. Probably we need understand that we are not as big or as good as we think we are as a team or club. We have little money and we have no money man. We have a fan base just over 1000 or so. The team itself has been at a similar level to Batley and Featherstone for the past 5 years. We are no bigger or better than either of them. Batley are no lesser club than us as some comments have been made. Last years finish probably has seen us think we are better than what we are. Top 4 was always going to be tough and we are still in it. We got extra money, but wisely in my opinion stayed Part time. The club has wasted money before pretending we are something we are not. This time the club is rightly looking long term and not using DRs- what most if not all want. The results of the long term strategy will be seen in a few years time, not now. The quality and quantity to go FT is not there- look at Sheffields struggles!

3.Personally I am not a fan of this rotation system. I understand players do suffer from tiredness and injury etc. However we need to have a constant team that knows what the others do and what the weakness/strengths are. I think we are struggling with confidence. I feel some players are not good enough and others have maybe not really been great signings for whatever reason.. I feel the team has got caught up in the hype of last year and is trying too hard to get it back. I feel the players/team are looking for gamebreakers and over doing things and forgetting the basics in both defence and attack. Its a fine line at times between getting it right and getting it wrong. I feel the team needs to go back to playing basic rugby and cut the silly offloads and mistakes out and build a platform in attack. I think we are wasting too much energy in defence, because we are making a number of silly errors in attack. If we learn to control the ball in attack and put better kicks in, then it helps us in defence. Control and stability needs to return in the games if we are to improve in any great measure.

A great post but i think most people are just really disappointed we have failed miserably to move forward this season on the back of last seasons achievement and financial reward,rather than seeking a new coach.

Batley's team cost 150K
fax won 750K

How have we not got a team capable of beating them

Leicester's TEAM cost less than 30m.Manure have 4 players who cost more individually...there's more to it than money.

The fire and passion from last year doesn’t seem to be quite the same. Maybe that’s because when things are not quite going for you it’s hard. But last year we celebrated every big hit, every try saving tackle and every try. And then offered more encouragement when we did concede, where we seem to look around for whose fault it is this year. Ben Kaye and Scott Murrell were obvious stand outs last year when it came to this but even they seem more subdued.

Some great posts guys.

Black Cat you said 'Batley are no lesser club than us as some comments have been made. ' I don't know if your saying about my comment on losing to Batley makes a loss harder. That comment is about our rivalery with Batley over the past several seasons having close matches. Northing to do with the size or status of their club.

Hooligan goes on about money. Just because we own money last year does not make us a rich club and start buying players. Having money, full time does not make you a winning team. Look at Sheffield they are slowly going down the table;

I have faith we will be in the top 4. RM has stated its about building from team, squad and club from the bottom up. Doing it the other way around doesn't work

I bet the Leigh supporters asked the same question after Round 1

Why on earth in Ben J being continually overlooked? He is the only SL class (or potential SL) halfback we have?

We didn't because we know our lads played poorly that day. See you at Blackpool Mick I'll be there both days with Ian and Henry.

After reading the last 3 pages, some are right, others not so right. M H O (for what it's worth), and this was commented at the start of the season.
Second season conundrum, other coaches had not seen R M style before, and w e took some by surprise. Now. Coaches may have worked his strategy out and can nullify his game plan.
True it does not help being a tinkerman, and we need a settled core of players that can be augmented with class. I do not get to see games live, so cannot offer an opinion on who should play when and where, better people than me have offered their two penny worth on that score. There is obviously something wrong as many people say the better players are bench warming, are they sulking? Do they not agree to the coaches plans? Does the coach hold a grudge if someone disagrees with him? Somebody may know the answers to these and many other questions, however it does not help players confidence when they read or hear negativity from the stands, and yes the paying public have a fight to their opinion, but rather than bitching get behind the team as you did last year!
So I've said my piece, now shoot me down, because I am 7000 miles away on not allowed a voice.

your comments are welcomed(like anyone else's)but i for one don't buy into this second season syndrome,rugby is a simple game,if played correctly,and i don't beleive we surprised anyone last season by not always employing the upjumper 6 then kick tactic the previous encumbent adopted.