Quite a few people on here were sceptical about Ben being brought back to the club wrongly stating that he went "missing" in big games.Their evidence for this was always the 2005 play off semi final defeat at Cas when he was targetted by the Cas pack who were fully aware of his ability as he was instrumental in knocking them out of the challenge cup that season meaning that his man of the match award yesterday is in fact his second against Cas in that competition.
Whether he could play regularly in SL is debateable but his fellow Aussie from the 2005 team Ben Fisher is probably a good comparison.
With regard to Clinch I wouldn't have minded seeing them paired up at half back.

agree he does make a mess sometimes with his passes but as you say his running game more than makes up for it.

No, they weren't. And he did.

he didn't have the players around him in his first spell to share the workload with, if Ben didn't perform then everybody thought he was missing. Now if he has a quiet games there plenty of other players who step up.

I remember fax having 4 "big games" in 2004 - three play off games and the cup game. Black didnt perform in ONE of those four games, due to Castleford's tactics.

So that would disqualify your evaluation.

14th June 2008

Quote: Tony Fax "Having exhausted myself in the past on the "Ben Black" debate, I thought I'd lay off this time round. But it still totally amazes me how some of you guys have got so excited by his return. Granted .... he looked spectacular on several occassions in his first stint, but he was rubbish on far more other occassions. His headless chicken, lazy, hangover style of play does nowt for me............'"

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