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| Quote TheButcher="TheButcher"=#FF0040[iI'm not sure what your definition of racism is, [/ibut having never met Stanley and never discussed race, mention race, or say anything remotely connected to it at any point (Both him and me) or seen anyone else do so no matter how much they've argued. I'm struggling to think that you have a flair for the dramatic or a different definition..'"
[iIcan't speak for (WTFIA) but i believe discrimination is the right analogy. Search the threads its pure vitriol angst. At first i foolishly lowered myself to his/her level, however now i just expose his/her reasoning and vitriolic immaturity.[/i
Quote TheButcherTheButcher Wrote =#FF0000As for bullying, well, I'm pretty sure Stanley can hold his own and has never, that I've seen, taken offence to the point of it causing mental harm. What actually happens is that Stanley and others become heated over a topic, idea, or point and passionately argue the finer points. If having your idea or beliefs mocked, questioned, or doubted offends you then it means your ideas and beliefs struggle to stand up to scrutiny. If people can't question an idea it leads to a rocky road where we all don't want to go down. That's not bullying, it's common sense.'"
The latter part of the Paris thread proved his ignorance and discriminative attitude but i let by gones be by gones i don't bare grudges. I forgive his/her flawed traits.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"I invite someone to watch the ISS with their own eyes. They ignore the invitation, instead clinging to denial that it "doesn't exist". As anyone can see it, this really is the debating equivalent of fingers in ears and nah nah nah. hey ho'"
I don't need to watch i've already observed the fraud. I think it is a total hoax. Russia, Canada, China, and Japan are all in on it together. The videos of the astronauts brainwashing the youth sickens me. Our Government run media conforming to this sickens me. It's just like back with the fake moon landings. The videos are nothing but pure entertainment propaganda and distraction. They are made to reinforce the deception and make everyone believe we are advancing in space.
Some questions I have: Regarding the ISS
[ikeep in mind during ISS videos and space walks the earth is moving around the sun at 18 miles per second and spinning on its own at 1,000 mph, and the ISS at 17,000 mph but everything looks completely still.[/i
=#FF0000Simples they both aren't moving[i
[iwhy not MANY camera's on live feed rather than just one. With 360° Trajectory to prove their location.[/i[/i
=#BF0000Because many cameras would expose their lies, the less they show the less they know.
[iwhy we never see Star Constellations, Moon, Sun, Mars, Venus and the 3500 orbiting Satellites Etc... in the screen shots.[/i
=#FF0000Because if they show constellations they can be recorded to their true location exposing the scam.
[iWhy they never point their fisheye lenses at the Stars or Moon Always just earth and astronauts.[/i
=#FF0000To focus on the false curvature, mind control. They can't show Sun and Moon shots in a pool.
[iwhy is most of the view of earth obstructed by ISS[/i
=#FF0000Again fixating the mind control with CGI.
[iwhy is earth usually water, no land mass on all shots.[/i
=#FF0000Because its not a real image they'd have to get the land masses exact to realtime for cloud cover getting this wrong would expose the fraud.
[iI don't see the earth's tilted axis. Never[/i.
=#FF0000Because it ain't tilted.
[iWhy in most pictures and videos of Spacewalk's do we see the curve of the earth. Seems too convenient.[/i
=#FF0000Exactly again its all Green Screen mind control fixating on the curve
[iwhere are all the satellites in the pics and live feed[/i
=#BF0000Elusive. You tell me.
[iwhere are the 3600 pieces of space junk NASA says orbits the earth in these clips.and live feed.[/i
=#BF0000Again so evasive.
why in interviews with astronauts do they never point the camera out the window to show us earth.
=#800000Because its Green Screen pre recorded interview from a studio.
[iWhy don’t they ever take a weekend trip to the moon.[/i
=#BF0000Impossible reality.
[iWith no gravity to keep food down, how does it go and stay down[/i
=#FF0000Impossible.[i
What happens to sweat from exercising[/i
=#FF0000Very Smelly place
[iZERO privacy for six months. Serious mental risk.[/i
=#BF0000Exactly it'd be too hostile
[iNo shower for six months.[/i
=#FF0000Skin disorders no doubt.
[iHow is Oxygen regenerated.[/i
=#BF0000It Can't Simples
[iTheir videos are all ENTERTAINMENT based, not science based.[/i
=#800000Mind Control based.
Ten people drown EVERY day, yet no deaths in space. We are comfortable here on earth and there is a second chance for air if you’re under water. There are NO second chances in space. It is a totally foreign and very hostile environment. It's like they want us to think humans are indestructible.
[iHow come we don't see the earths spin from the ISS.[/i
=#FF0000Good Question
[iSpacewalks travelling 5 MPS in pure vacuum is laughable and impossible. [/i
=#BF0000True
I believe the outcome of a biological entity's exposure to the vacuum of space has only ever been communicated by accounts referenced and never demonstrated to the public. I always found this as a morbid curiosity that has gone unanswered.
[iAgain we saw BUBBLES in space and the morbid excuse was quickly endorsed.[/i
=#FF0040Green Screen shot in a pool.
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| The big problem here is that if an unshakable religious conviction drives your ideology, in this case religious literalism with a flat earth, then absolutely nothing would convince you if it contradicts that view. Hard facts and evidence matter not because it's the view that fuels the rest of it. You can't possibly remain on the fence with anything you research or look into because you rely on an unshakable belief, and when I say belief I mean constructing your worldview around something with no evidence to start with. Actual evidence is easily ignored, constructed, or bent to fit your view rather than the evidence shaping the belief if your starting point is something without evidence to begin with.
If you were absolutely, genuinely going to go where the evidence leads then you need to start with the base belief that fuels the rest, in this case a religious interpretation of the earth and universe. If you can't be honest at the start, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel, then it becomes easier and easier to discount anything that challenges that view.
For me, the ramblings of a Bronze-age desert nomadic people are no longer valid passages on explaining the universe after all we've learned and discovered and actually know. Because of your natural bias to religion I feel it a pointless exercise to carry on contributing to threads that are clearly flying against your core belief.
I'm not going to shake your beliefs, Stanley. Only you can do that. Until you genuinely do that I can't contribute anything to your conversation.
Cheers.
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| Stan, as you ignore the obvious yet again, just one night, do look up and watch the ISS. Then you will KNOW it is there, because you can watch it. NASA doesn't know where you are, or when you will be looking, so can't fake it to fool you.
How do they breathe? Here - a cut'n'paste mugs guide just for you:
Quote Electrolysis of water (H2O) is the main method to generate oxygen aboard the ISS. Water is split into oxygen (O2) and hydrogen (H2). The oxygen is vented into the breathable cabin air system, known as the Oxygen Generation System, while the explosive hydrogen is vented externally.
The station’s football-field-sized solar arrays are the power source to electrolyse the water. Each day the OGS continuously provides between 2.3 and 9kg (5 to 20lbs) of oxygen. The OGS is a component of the ISS life support system, known as ECLSS or Environmental Control and Life Support System, located in the US Destiny module. The Elektron system aboard the Russian Zvezda service module performs the same vital electrolysis service for the ISS crew. The Electron system was also used aboard the Russian Mir Space Station.
Pressurised oxygen storage tanks replenished by visiting unmanned cargo ships provide a backup to the electrolysis method. Finally, the crew can also generate oxygen chemically by igniting Solid Fuel Oxygen Generation (SFOG) canisters comprised of lithium perchlorate. Each canister provides the oxygen needed to support one crew member for one day.'"
If you don't believe in electrolysis, it's facile to set up your own home experiment and prove it for yourself.
But, just watching the ISS pass over would be an important baby step for you. Once you can bring yourself to see with your own eyes, unadulterated, that there it is, then your climb out of you pit of religious delusion can begin.
But if you won't look, what can we do?
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| Quote TheButcher="TheButcher"=#BF0000The big problem here is that if an unshakable religious conviction drives your ideologyin this case religious literalism with a flat earth,=#FF0000 then absolutely nothing would convince you if it contradicts that view '"
[iThis is not the case at all.You're simply trying to psycho analyse me which is pathetic. Yes i believe in a Creator and Geocentrism supports this fact but the fallacy and lack of authentic evidence of the spinning ball theory is what spurs my core belief. Nothing can shake your true heliocentric view which is a bit hypocritical coming from you. You explained to me that that you're a 100% evidence type of guy and 99% is not good enough for you to swallow. Well there's holes as big as craters if you could be d to scrutinize NASA but you dismiss the evidence on this. Again how hypocritical of you.[/i
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Stan, as you ignore the obvious yet again, just one night, do look up and watch the ISS. Then you will KNOW it is there, because you can watch it. NASA doesn't know where you are, or when you will be looking, so can't fake it to fool you.?'"
Copy, paste, repeat. If NASA said they landed on the Sun you'd swallow it...look up hologram technology. Its quite fascinating technology, great for hoaxing people like you. It's [url=http://vrdorado.com/article/2015-06-25-nasa-is-launching-microsofts-hologram-technology-to-the-space-stationNASA's Baby[/url this technology. Also checkout [url=http://www.news.com.au/technology/project-blue-beam-conspiracy-theory-suggests-nasa-has-secret-plans-to-create-new-world-order/news-story/25266f2c57e89e139f0fa9daddeb0953Project Bluebeam.[/url
And before the usual cranial insults are bellowed checkout this NASA scientists [url=http://www.conspiracyclub.co/hologram-designed-by-aliens/Testimony[/url His words not mine.
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| Quote FLAT STANLEY="FLAT STANLEY"[iThis is not the case at all.You're simply trying to psycho analyse me which is pathetic. Yes i believe in a Creator and Geocentrism supports this fact but the fallacy and lack of authentic evidence of the spinning ball theory is what spurs my core belief. Nothing can shake your true heliocentric view which is a bit hypocritical coming from you. You explained to me that that you're a 100% evidence type of guy and 99% is not good enough for you to swallow. Well there's holes as big as craters if you could be d to scrutinize NASA but you dismiss the evidence on this. Again how hypocritical of you.[/i'"
I wasn't at all. I was going off what you posted earlier in the thread after you commented on what I said about religion.
I'm genuinely open to having my mind changed on a subject if it can be evidenced correctly and not full of holes. The things you are saying in these threads don't stand up to scrutiny. They simply don't. You also can't go around telling everyone to open their eyes and that the reality that everyone else knows is somehow wrong when it plainly works in a way that can be observed, tested, and relied upon. Big claims require big evidence. It's not up to everyone else to prove reality. It's already been done! We live in and with it. If you claim that the laws of physics are suspended just for us on a disc, it's up to you to prove it, not the rest of us to prove it's wrong. The burden of proof is with the claim.
The trouble is, Stan, is that you are so far down the rabbit hole it's almost impossible to climb back out. The Earth isn't flat. Nasa really does do stuff in space. Satellites are real. The world isn't run by some Satanic secret society. Stars are real. The sun really is far away. The ISS really is orbiting the planet. GPS is real. The Earth is old. We're all related. Evolution connects every living thing. We're apes. This isn't me blinded by some kind of indoctrination, it's reality. Proven. Tested. Relied upon.
It's not a big conspiracy.
Your aggressive tone does you no favours either.
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| Darwinsim (Evolution) is a Religion. These evolutionists are radicals no different than ISIS (Radical Islam) or Radical Christians.
Darwinists are ignorant. They simply will not let go of the idea that they have come from Rocks. They insist their ancestors are ape-like creatures. How Bizarre. Everything came from nothing.
I don't wish to derail your religious belief. Good on you. 
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| I'm not sure how many fallacies you can fit in one post, but that's a good effort.

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| Are you saying that the ISS is in fact a planet- wide hologram?
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Are you saying that the ISS is in fact a planet- wide hologram?
Really?'"
No i'm saying the real ISS is ground based in a perfectly designed studio, 
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| Quote FLAT STANLEY="FLAT STANLEY"No i'm saying the real ISS is ground based in a perfectly designed studio,
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Another fingers-in-ears moment? As you well know, I meant the one which every human on Earth can watch as it orbits the globe. What is that, given you say it can't be the ISS?
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