Nail on head. Ever since the 1500's. Heliocentrism eliminates God. Heliocentrism is Sun worship. Who wants to hide God and Sun worships. ? Freemasonic Luciferian NWO doctrine. Full stop. The same people who run the World Governments, All Media and NASA Simples.

There is NO doubt - as in ZERO - that ANYONE, you included, can photograph the ISS as it passes by.

You ignore this. How could you do it? Does NASA transmit CGI into your visual cortex or what/

Why do you ignore the very obvious and very basic points put to you?



Space is an extremely harsh environment and all satellites have a limited shelf life. They must be VFM, though, as otherwise, why would all the major countries and many private companies continually launch 'em?


Of course it can. But even if provided with a billion photos or videos, you would say "Those are all fake".

Here's one for startershttps://d1o50x50snmhul.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dn17127-1_300.jpg" >

By the way, Hubble has produced squillions of images over many years, none of which could be obtained from Earth. If it did not exist, how could that happen?


if NASA or ESA wanted to create a fake scenario, your hypothesis relies on the odd idea that - oops-a-daisy - they would forget to "put the stars in" or whatever. Really? That is a dumb proposition even for you. (But oddly it does echo one of the more stupid "moon hoax" claims that you couldn't see the stars in the photos - have you learned nothing from those?) As it happens I do know quite a lot about photography. As you don't know the answer to such a simple question, you are clearly ignorant in the subject.

I'm not sure what your definition of racism is, but having never met Stanley and never discussed race, mention race, or say anything remotely connected to it at any point (Both him and me) or seen anyone else do so no matter how much they've argued. I'm struggling to think that you have a flair for the dramatic or a different definition.

As for bullying, well, I'm pretty sure Stanley can hold his own and has never, that I've seen, taken offence to the point of it causing mental harm. What actually happens is that Stanley and others become heated over a topic, idea, or point and passionately argue the finer points. If having your idea or beliefs mocked, questioned, or doubted offends you then it means your ideas and beliefs struggle to stand up to scrutiny. If people can't question an idea it leads to a rocky road where we all don't want to go down.

That's not bullying, it's common sense.

If you post something in a public forum then you are inviting discourse on that subject. If you don't like that then maybe a public forum isn't the place for you.

I invite someone to watch the ISS with their own eyes. They ignore the invitation, instead clinging to denial that it "doesn't exist". As anyone can see it, this really is the debating equivalent of fingers in ears and nah nah nah. hey ho

Anti-Stanley? That is a bit ridiculous. I am anti the idiotic nonsense he either believes or trolls, but obviously respond to the points that he chooses to make. If he's not trolling, he's deluded, and if so it does him no favours to pretend he isn't delusional. It's not a "varied outlook on life", it's just fruitbat drivel. But that blunt message apart, I address the issues, in quite a bit of detail, and not Stanley, whom I wouldn't know from Adam.

Yes, Stan does try to bully people, but that's his way, and his rudeness and bluster is an irrelevance really, he only does it to get out of responding to things he can't answer.

That said, I started this thread, dealing with the technology of flight tracking. It was Stanley who jumped in with his theories, not the other way around. I've just responded to them. Wasn't my idea to get into his stuff, but I don't have any obligation to let it pass unchallenged.

As for "racism" ... WTF?

PS - snow's not clear. It's pretty opaque. But it is made of ice, which is clear. I blame NASA for this hoax.

Firstly with the above abuse, you've just proven to everyone what a great example to the term immaturity.

Again more personal insult.and twisted angst. Bully hahaha i've never bullied anyone in my life, the above posts illustrate you're the aggressor. As for trolling i certainly expose the lies is that trolling. No..

I challenged and proved to you about Flight tracking data, then you got on your high horse about Satellites which again i proved are hoaxed, then you bring up Tim Peake, then you added fake google composites to the thread, The Butcher apologetically derailed the thread not me, so it's you who's getting muddled up with your tongue twisted copy and paste not me, i'm just pointing out your flawed reasoning.

[iIcan't speak for (WTFIA) but i believe discrimination is the right analogy. Search the threads its pure vitriol angst. At first i foolishly lowered myself to his/her level, however now i just expose his/her reasoning and vitriolic immaturity.[/i

The latter part of the Paris thread proved his ignorance and discriminative attitude but i let by gones be by gones i don't bare grudges. I forgive his/her flawed traits.

I don't need to watch i've already observed the fraud. I think it is a total hoax. Russia, Canada, China, and Japan are all in on it together. The videos of the astronauts brainwashing the youth sickens me. Our Government run media conforming to this sickens me. It's just like back with the fake moon landings. The videos are nothing but pure entertainment propaganda and distraction. They are made to reinforce the deception and make everyone believe we are advancing in space.

Some questions I have[ikeep in mind during ISS videos and space walks the earth is moving around the sun at 18 miles per second and spinning on its own at 1,000 mph, and the ISS at 17,000 mph but everything looks completely still.[/i
Simples they both aren't moving[i
[i]why not MANY camera's on live feed rather than just one. With 360° Trajectory to prove their location.[/i[/i]
Because many cameras would expose their lies, the less they show the less they know.
[iwhy we never see Star Constellations, Moon, Sun, Mars, Venus and the 3500 orbiting Satellites Etc... in the screen shots.[/i
Because if they show constellations they can be recorded to their true location exposing the scam.
[iWhy they never point their fisheye lenses at the Stars or Moon Always just earth and astronauts.[/i
To focus on the false curvature, mind control. They can't show Sun and Moon shots in a pool.
[iwhy is most of the view of earth obstructed by ISS[/i
Again fixating the mind control with CGI.
[iwhy is earth usually water, no land mass on all shots.[/i
Because its not a real image they'd have to get the land masses exact to realtime for cloud cover getting this wrong would expose the fraud.
[iI don't see the earth's tilted axis. Never[/i.
Because it ain't tilted.
[iWhy in most pictures and videos of Spacewalk's do we see the curve of the earth. Seems too convenient.[/i
Exactly again its all Green Screen mind control fixating on the curve
[iwhere are all the satellites in the pics and live feed[/i
Elusive. You tell me.
[iwhere are the 3600 pieces of space junk NASA says orbits the earth in these clips.and live feed.[/i
Again so evasive.
why in interviews with astronauts do they never point the camera out the window to show us earth.
Because its Green Screen pre recorded interview from a studio.
[iWhy don’t they ever take a weekend trip to the moon.[/i
Impossible reality.
[iWith no gravity to keep food down, how does it go and stay down[/i
Impossible.[i
What happens to sweat from exercising[/i
Very Smelly place
[iZERO privacy for six months. Serious mental risk.[/i
Exactly it'd be too hostile
[iNo shower for six months.[/i
Skin disorders no doubt.
[iHow is Oxygen regenerated.[/i
It Can't Simples
[iTheir videos are all ENTERTAINMENT based, not science based.[/i
Mind Control based.
Ten people drown EVERY day, yet no deaths in space. We are comfortable here on earth and there is a second chance for air if you’re under water. There are NO second chances in space. It is a totally foreign and very hostile environment. It's like they want us to think humans are indestructible.

[iHow come we don't see the earths spin from the ISS.[/i
Good Question
[iSpacewalks travelling 5 MPS in pure vacuum is laughable and impossible. [/i
True

I believe the outcome of a biological entity's exposure to the vacuum of space has only ever been communicated by accounts referenced and never demonstrated to the public. I always found this as a morbid curiosity that has gone unanswered.
[iAgain we saw BUBBLES in space and the morbid excuse was quickly endorsed.[/i
Green Screen shot in a pool.
The ISS is looking more and more like Comedy Central, day by day.

The big problem here is that if an unshakable religious conviction drives your ideology, in this case religious literalism with a flat earth, then absolutely nothing would convince you if it contradicts that view. Hard facts and evidence matter not because it's the view that fuels the rest of it. You can't possibly remain on the fence with anything you research or look into because you rely on an unshakable belief, and when I say belief I mean constructing your worldview around something with no evidence to start with. Actual evidence is easily ignored, constructed, or bent to fit your view rather than the evidence shaping the belief if your starting point is something without evidence to begin with.

If you were absolutely, genuinely going to go where the evidence leads then you need to start with the base belief that fuels the rest, in this case a religious interpretation of the earth and universe. If you can't be honest at the start, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel, then it becomes easier and easier to discount anything that challenges that view.

For me, the ramblings of a Bronze-age desert nomadic people are no longer valid passages on explaining the universe after all we've learned and discovered and actually know. Because of your natural bias to religion I feel it a pointless exercise to carry on contributing to threads that are clearly flying against your core belief.

I'm not going to shake your beliefs, Stanley. Only you can do that. Until you genuinely do that I can't contribute anything to your conversation.

Cheers.

Stan, as you ignore the obvious yet again, just one night, do look up and watch the ISS. Then you will KNOW it is there, because you can watch it. NASA doesn't know where you are, or when you will be looking, so can't fake it to fool you.

How do they breathe? Here - a cut'n'paste mugs guide just for youElectrolysis of water (H2O) is the main method to generate oxygen aboard the ISS. Water is split into oxygen (O2) and hydrogen (H2). The oxygen is vented into the breathable cabin air system, known as the Oxygen Generation System, while the explosive hydrogen is vented externally.

The station’s football-field-sized solar arrays are the power source to electrolyse the water. Each day the OGS continuously provides between 2.3 and 9kg (5 to 20lbs) of oxygen. The OGS is a component of the ISS life support system, known as ECLSS or Environmental Control and Life Support System, located in the US Destiny module. The Elektron system aboard the Russian Zvezda service module performs the same vital electrolysis service for the ISS crew. The Electron system was also used aboard the Russian Mir Space Station.

Pressurised oxygen storage tanks replenished by visiting unmanned cargo ships provide a backup to the electrolysis method. Finally, the crew can also generate oxygen chemically by igniting Solid Fuel Oxygen Generation (SFOG) canisters comprised of lithium perchlorate. Each canister provides the oxygen needed to support one crew member for one day.'"

[iThis is not the case at all.You're simply trying to psycho analyse me which is pathetic. Yes i believe in a Creator and Geocentrism supports this fact but the fallacy and lack of authentic evidence of the spinning ball theory is what spurs my core belief. Nothing can shake your true heliocentric view which is a bit hypocritical coming from you. You explained to me that that you're a 100% evidence type of guy and 99% is not good enough for you to swallow. Well there's holes as big as craters if you could be d to scrutinize NASA but you dismiss the evidence on this. Again how hypocritical of you.[/i

Copy, paste, repeat. If NASA said they landed on the Sun you'd swallow it...look up hologram technology. Its quite fascinating technology, great for hoaxing people like you. It's rlNASA's Babyrl this technology. Also checkout rlProject Bluebeam.rl
And before the usual cranial insults are bellowed checkout this NASA scientists rlTestimonyrl His words not mine.

I wasn't at all. I was going off what you posted earlier in the thread after you commented on what I said about religion.

I'm genuinely open to having my mind changed on a subject if it can be evidenced correctly and not full of holes. The things you are saying in these threads don't stand up to scrutiny. They simply don't. You also can't go around telling everyone to open their eyes and that the reality that everyone else knows is somehow wrong when it plainly works in a way that can be observed, tested, and relied upon. Big claims require big evidence. It's not up to everyone else to prove reality. It's already been done! We live in and with it. If you claim that the laws of physics are suspended just for us on a disc, it's up to you to prove it, not the rest of us to prove it's wrong. The burden of proof is with the claim.

The trouble is, Stan, is that you are so far down the rabbit hole it's almost impossible to climb back out. The Earth isn't flat. Nasa really does do stuff in space. Satellites are real. The world isn't run by some Satanic secret society. Stars are real. The sun really is far away. The ISS really is orbiting the planet. GPS is real. The Earth is old. We're all related. Evolution connects every living thing. We're apes. This isn't me blinded by some kind of indoctrination, it's reality. Proven. Tested. Relied upon.

It's not a big conspiracy.

Your aggressive tone does you no favours either.