Derail.

I don't have to do anything to make you go off point. You're ideas are all over the place.

Quote: FLAT STANLEY "In the book Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps (a non-fiction book about The history of the Jesuits) it is suggested that the bombs used on Japan in WWII were actually placed on the ground beforehand and exploded there. The US bombers having dropped dummy bombs. The reason being that the technology for dropping a-bombs from altitude wasn't developed at that time. This would mean that they'd have to have had cooperation with elements in the Japanese government to place (or construct) the real bombs on the ground ahead of time.'" This sounds plausible. Nuclear bombs did not and still don't exist. However, the US was unable to detonate the nuclear bombs they didn't have as they hadn't developed the technology to drop non-existent bombs from altitude at the time. So, despite being in a war to the death, they got the Japanese government to allow them to transport an atomic bomb from the United States to the centre of Hiroshima, and then to synchronize the blast to make it look as if it was a bomb that had been dropped from a plane. And all for nothing, too, as the war continued. Comedy gold, this! Quote: FLAT STANLEY "Before you get carried away with your ideas that only so-called nukes can create mushroom clouds '" Who mentioned mushroom clouds? WTF have they to do with it? Quote: FLAT STANLEY " I must remind you that conventional bombs detonated at ground level will generate the characteristic mushroom cloud. '" No, they won't. The Hiroshima cloud reached an altitude of over 60,000 feet in around ten minutes. No conventioanl bomb would come even close. Of course, I assume the photos are all fake? Here is one taken from Enola Gay around 30 seconds after the blast. Enola Gay is at 30,000 feet and already the cloud is plainly higher than that altitude. Quote: FLAT STANLEY "Hiroshima and Nagasaki were said to have been bombed with detonations at high altitude. '" Said by whom? Expert straw man builders like you? The Hiroshima bomb was detonated at 600 metres and the Nagasaki bomb at 500 metres, so extremely low altitude. These altitudes were specifically chosen so as to (a) flatten the maximum number of structures (b) create the maximum possible firestorm; and (c) kill the maximum number of people for the added benefit of minimising the number of persons available to fight fires and maximise the firestorm. It was in fact a British scientist, Willam Penney, who was chiefly responsible for calculating the optimum detonation heights of nuclear bombs. You can read his declassified work here: blog.nuclecrecy.com/wp-conte ... Gadget.pdf But no doubt that's a fake too?

Quote: FLAT STANLEY "In the book Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps (a non-fiction book about The history of the Jesuits) it is suggested that the bombs used on Japan in WWII were actually placed on the ground beforehand and exploded there. The US bombers having dropped dummy bombs. The reason being that the technology for dropping a-bombs from altitude wasn't developed at that time. This would mean that they'd have to have had cooperation with elements in the Japanese government to place (or construct) the real bombs on the ground ahead of time.'" This sounds plausible. Nuclear bombs did not and still don't exist. However, the US was unable to detonate the nuclear bombs they didn't have as they hadn't developed the technology to drop non-existent bombs from altitude at the time. So, despite being in a war to the death, they got the Japanese government to allow them to transport an atomic bomb from the United States to the centre of Hiroshima, and then to synchronize the blast to make it look as if it was a bomb that had been dropped from a plane. And all for nothing, too, as the war continued. Comedy gold, this! Quote: FLAT STANLEY "Before you get carried away with your ideas that only so-called nukes can create mushroom clouds '" Who mentioned mushroom clouds? WTF have they to do with it? Quote: FLAT STANLEY " I must remind you that conventional bombs detonated at ground level will generate the characteristic mushroom cloud. '" No, they won't. The Hiroshima cloud reached an altitude of over 60,000 feet in around ten minutes. No conventioanl bomb would come even close. Of course, I assume the photos are all fake? Here is one taken from Enola Gay around 30 seconds after the blast. Enola Gay is at 30,000 feet and already the cloud is plainly higher than that altitude. Quote: FLAT STANLEY "Hiroshima and Nagasaki were said to have been bombed with detonations at high altitude. '" Said by whom? Expert straw man builders like you? The Hiroshima bomb was detonated at 600 metres and the Nagasaki bomb at 500 metres, so extremely low altitude. These altitudes were specifically chosen so as to (a) flatten the maximum number of structures (b) create the maximum possible firestorm; and (c) kill the maximum number of people for the added benefit of minimising the number of persons available to fight fires and maximise the firestorm. It was in fact a British scientist, Willam Penney, who was chiefly responsible for calculating the optimum detonation heights of nuclear bombs. You can read his declassified work here: blog.nuclecrecy.com/wp-conte ... Gadget.pdf But no doubt that's a fake too?

The crucial difference between cities devastated by firebombing and cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which were devastated by atom bombs, is that hundreds of planes in constant relays over several days are necessary for the firebombing of cities, whereas ONE PLANE CARRYING ONE BOMB was sufficient for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Let's have a look at the facts about firebombing Tokyo and see if they hold-up against your idea that something identical happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. According to the Institute for historical review (rlhttp://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.htmlrl, On March 9-10, 1945, a wave of 300 American bombers struck Tokyo, killing 100,000 people. 1700 tons of bombs were necessary to accomplish this devastation. On May 23, 1945, “520 giant B-29 ‘Superfortress’ American bombers unleashed 4,500 tons of incendiary bombs n the heart of the already battered Japanese capital.” Two days later, on May 25, “a second strike of 502 ‘Superfortress’ planes roared low over Tokyo, raining down 4,000 tons of explosives." If Hiroshima and Nagasaki had been given the identical firebombing treatment, as the conspiracy theory asserts, they too would have required hundreds of giant planes dropping thousands of tons of explosives over several days.

We know for a fact—for the Japanese victims were themselves eyewitnesses to each atomic attack—that only ONE plane dropping ONE bomb was sufficient to accomplish the devastation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The bomb dropped on Nagasaki, for example, weighed 10,000 pounds. Note that: pounds, not tons.

For firebombing Tokyo, tons of bombs were necessary over several days. At Nagasaki, one much lighter bomb, weighed in pounds not tons, did the trick in nine seconds.

Nine seconds.

Like Tokyo and other Japanese cities, many German cities were subjected to firebombing. In all cases, hundreds of planes carrying thousands of tons of explosives were necessary over a period of several days in order to accomplish the devastation. Not one of these cities was reduced to ruins within a few seconds, as in the case of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Nor did any of these other firebombed cities report “the trans-generational malignancies and immune deficiencies caused by the deadly plutonium and other radioactive isotopes produced by the bomb.”

The facts say otherwise to your assertion without proper evidence, and that's without going into the ridiculous consequences of Nuclear weapons being all pretend that you elude to.

Hahahaha Comedy gold is this. Taken from Wikipedia Altitude is defined on the following scale


After leaving Tinian the aircraft made their way separately to Iwo Jima to rendezvous with Sweeney and Marquardt at [i05),[121] and set course for Japan. The aircraft arrived over the target in clear visibility at [i31,060 feet (9,470 m)[/i.[122] Parsons, who was in command of the mission, armed the bomb during the flight to minimize the risks during takeoff. He had witnessed four B-29s crash and burn at takeoff, and feared that a nuclear explosion would occur if a B-29 crashed with an armed Little Boy on board.[123] His assistant, Second Lieutenant Morris R. Jeppson, removed the safety devices 30 minutes before reaching the target area.[124]

Hahahaha. High Altitude as i claimed earlier[i high altitude blast negates these conditions by heating the air mass around it, above and below, uniformly. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were said to have been bombed with detonations at high altitude. The presence of a mushroom cloud for those exposes the hoax[/i Comedy Gold

Can I ask a genuine question, Stanley?

If nuclear weapons are fake, NASA is fake, We're being tricked into thinking the earth is flat, that evolution is a hoax, that there's secret societies controlling the world for their own benefit, and probably lots of other ideas that you haven't made public. Why? and what links all these ideas together into a coherent whole? and what sources do you rely on for these claims and how do you verify their accuracy?

I'm genuinely interested.

Sorry Butcher i'll answer your question in due course i got sidetracked again by an irate erroneous inaccurate copy and paste frenzy.

All footage that had to do with a mushroom cloud was faked. Mushroom clouds do not grow from high altitude blasts. A mushroom cloud must be seeded from ground level to express it's characteristic shape.

The post bombing photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki appear to be correct. These pictures bare the signature of an M-69 fire bombing attack exactly like the attack on Tokyo 6 months earlier.

Also note that Japan became the target of the highest degree of censorship following those historical bombings. No information left Japan in the media or otherwise without US approval. The hoaxster's paradise in fact.

Speaking of radiation the experts said nothing would grow in Hiroshima for 70 years following the bombing yet Oleanders were growing everywhere just one week after. The hoaxsters called that a miracle.

Seismological data or seismic records of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Novaya Zemlya are AWOL, missing. Especially the 50 megaton Tsar Bomba should have bent seismometer needles all the way around the world yet not one is there to be examined. Hiroshima was estimated to be the Richter equivalent of 6.4 which means the Soviets had the means to confirm the false claims of the American hoaxsters. Of course the Soviet leadership had similar hoax plans so they clammed up instead and played their cold war hoax.

I don't mind challenges to my information I welcome them. Haven't found one yet that has made me change my mind but I still welcome the questions being challenged with rationality.

Whilst I await your reply to my last correction of your bullcrap, your basic premise is just wrong. The bombs were exploded at 500 metres and 600 metres. Not at "high altitude". Which bit of that are you having trouble with? It's not much higher than the Empire State building. Why would you persist with your straw man about them being detonated at "high altitude"? Do you think nobody sees through it?


Have you checked with all seismic ground stations, then? Can you post their replies? Oh, you forgot to mention that this bomb was an airburst, approx 4000 metres. Or that


It wasn't, in this context, but nevertheless the Soviets, if they did have the means, notably did not denounce the claims as fake. Which to most people supports the logical conclusion that that the bomb was real. But to you, it's conspiracy on conspiracy, and so if the Soviets fail to "confirm the false claims" that doesn't mean the Americans HAD exploded a bomb ... it means ... well, it must mean that ... the Russians were in on the fakery!

My view of this Nuclear fraud, Is so called nuclear power generating plants are dump loads, big kettles that boil off the excess energy produced by the big utilities. They don't generate any energy they dispose of it so the big utilities can justify high domestic energy rates. By hiding the surplus this way they are creating the illusion of an energy shortage and they can keep your electricity bills as high as possible. Plus they make billions selling these huge kettles as so called nuclear power generators. That my gist.

Ahhh. So Sizewell B is a kettle! You really are comedy gold, Stan.

But maybe you could clarify - what, exactly, do the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority, and the Office for Nuclear Regulation, do all day then, and why has nobody rumbled that there is nothing to decommission or dispose of or store? Except maybe kettle elements?

And by what mechanism do these here "kettles" produce tons of radioactive waste that needs to be stored/disposed of?

Stanley you're onto something here, my son works at Springfield not the Homer Simpson plant, ignore the nursery wiffle waffle.This deceptive nuclear industry, be it weapons or under the guile of commercially viable nuclear reactors is the paradise for the elite. The whole ripoff scheme is shrouded in national security protocols and security bonding which means you can't discuss your work outside the plant if you don't want to incur the wrath of the WNA and risk prison for attempted nuclear terrorism. The whole scam is compartmentalized so Sam doesn't know what George is up to. Perfect cover for the atom bomb hoax clusters.

It's also the best way to keep things secure, both from an external and internal view. The 'compartmental' nature of the industry helps not only security but safety to workers, other on-site workers, and the general public from contamination issues. I'd agree that it's a massive financial sinkhole, especially around decommissioning areas, but that's to do with managers, out-sourcing and work practice rather than the system. I've worked in the industry for five years (without going into details I'm sure Stanley can appreciate the reasons I wont go into any details after a previous conversation) and it is sensitive, especially in the current climate.

I can reassure you that there isn't anything going on in these places other than what they were designed to do. Or in the case of decommissioning, what they once did.

Sorry to be the bearer of boring news...

So you have conflicts of interest then ? The sensitivity is borderline insane if you ask me, no wonder whispers grow loud.

Conflicts of interest regarding what?

People always whisper about things they don't, can't, or wont have access to. Whispers are always way over the top because, well, people don't tend to gossip about the mundane when it comes to these things. It has to be secure and sensitive by its very nature. If it wasn't we'd have all kinds of problems.

I suggest reigning-in your imagination a little. It's okay to speculate, but in my experience when you get a lot of speculation, it's not long before wild ideas become cemented as fact because they are repeated enough times rather than any grain of truth comes forward.

Often, the truth is a let down. A bit boring. Almost always normal.

I'm just offering an opinion based on my experiences in a job where I was not constrained or compartmentalized because of the nature of what I did.