I have a wife but only one never felt the need to be unfaithful unlike Johnson who has made a career out of it. I admit he is better pole dancer but that is down to his training.
He is entitled to a family life but those that have unnecessary lost loved ones because of his failures also deserve the same don’t you agree or in your world were they just acceptable casualties to have a Conservative government.
I see you are once again using your normal stereotype that I am a socialist with being badly educated and poor, both of which are incorrect, I believe the former helps me see the failure that is a Johnson/Cummins government.
I suppose you prove the opposite because you actually believe that Johnson cares for people like you, he does not but whilst you continue to do so he will not change and will continue to avoid scrutiny.

Seen as title of thread includes War,thought i would change your highlighted quote slightly,as it seems to fit quite well for Tony Blair.

"He is entitled to a family life,but those that have unnecessary lost loved ones because of his lies also deserve the same don't you agree,or in your world were they just acceptable casualties to have a Labour government."

There was at least a report prepared and published something Johnson seems reluctant to ever do. The report actually held MI6 to be at fault because it was they who produced the dossier. It was from this that the urgency to go to war was decided albeit based on misleading information provided to Blair. Let us not forget that it was the Labour government who pulled the majority of the U.K. troops out. It is a sad fact of life that our armed forces are called into action by all political parties so let’s not be so selective in thinking this is a one party trait. The armed forces job is to follow orders hence the carnage of the First World War
The pandemic has resulted in the excess death of over 60,000 U.K. civilians so you consider this to be acceptable. We are now opening schools no if no buts but what have the government done to prepare for this. I doubt anyone is going to believe Gavin Williamson when he says it is safe because like many in the Conservative party he is not exactly to be trusted.
I expect you will agree with me that the failures of this government have resulted in the deaths of many civilians unnecessarily and the way they are going this is likely to continue increasing or do you believe it was the scientists providing incorrect information which the acted on in good faith.

What would you like Boris to do a report on ?
I trust a report commencing in 6 years is acceptable?
Even with the Chilcot Report,Blair still didnt think he made the wrong decision to go to war.
I particularly like your view on the Armed Forces - its their JOB to follow orders.
Hopefully people on here will stop asking for nurses to be financially rewarded for their efforts through this pandemic,after all its their JOB to provide medical care to patients in hospital.
Not sure of the relevance of Labour pulling the troops out - it was a Labour government.
The buck stops with Boris,just like the buck stopped with Blair.
Im not sure i would consider any amount of excess deaths to be acceptable,although i will wait until the pandemic has settled and it will probably take many years to understand fully the mistakes made.
I can fully accept that mistakes have been made by the government that have led to deaths,same scenario is likely to different degrees across the world.
What i also accept is that all the parties are gash,no matter what colour the rosette.

The usual defence all parties are bad or the other one just think how bad it would be if Corbyn had won. The problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education. The bottom line do you believe what the government say that it is safe to return because it is or is it due to the fact they want their parents returning to work.

Much talk on the radio about the return to school - general view is that teachers are more at risk from each other than they are from the children. More likely teachers will pass the infection on to the children than the other way around. This point was made by a member of SAGE this morning on Radio 4 and by Jennie Harries on BBC 1 this morning.

The risks to children's health is greater not going to school than going?

Yes but what about the Adults, if they contract it who is going to take over the teaching and what will they need to do to the school to make it safe.
I note that other countries have employed those student teachers about to qualify to cover where necessary, we have not.

This is the same Jennie Harries who stated that the action taken by the government was exemplary and the shortage of PPE was blown out of proportion, we didn’t need to test test test because we are a first world country and saw no reason why Cheltenham could not go ahead so not exactly a reliable source.

Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The usual defence all parties are bad or the other one just think how bad it would be if Corbyn had won. The problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education. The bottom line do you believe what the government say that it is safe to return because it is or is it due to the fact they want their parents returning to work.'" Quote from OP. Come on pal, what is your opinion on the handling of EXAM RESULTS, that is the topic here. I ve already posted my opinion on the above. Scarlet Pimpernell quoteThe problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education So why have you talked about: Camping Death rate Brexit Unions Nationalising railways House of Lords Quarantine of holidaymakers Johnsons infidelity MI6 Dossier Armed forces (its their job) Oh and the IRA But now you just want to talk about education!!! I don't care what it would have been like with Corbyn in control,because he isn't and not you,i or anyone knows how a Corbyn administration would have dealt with this situation. Its not the usual defence,as i don't see a requirement to defend my opinion,i don't trust politicians across the spectrum. Seems most people in the UK are similarly minded. https://fullfact.org/blog/2020/apr/half ... ans-trust/ Education: The need to get kids back to school is imperative for their education and because the economy needs the parents at work. Is it safe ? Its never going to be 100% safe. But people get in their cars to go to work everyday and run a 1 -200 risk of dying in a car accident,so should everyone stop driving their cars to work until its safer!

Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The usual defence all parties are bad or the other one just think how bad it would be if Corbyn had won. The problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education. The bottom line do you believe what the government say that it is safe to return because it is or is it due to the fact they want their parents returning to work.'" Quote from OP. Come on pal, what is your opinion on the handling of EXAM RESULTS, that is the topic here. I ve already posted my opinion on the above. Scarlet Pimpernell quoteThe problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education So why have you talked about: Camping Death rate Brexit Unions Nationalising railways House of Lords Quarantine of holidaymakers Johnsons infidelity MI6 Dossier Armed forces (its their job) Oh and the IRA But now you just want to talk about education!!! I don't care what it would have been like with Corbyn in control,because he isn't and not you,i or anyone knows how a Corbyn administration would have dealt with this situation. Its not the usual defence,as i don't see a requirement to defend my opinion,i don't trust politicians across the spectrum. Seems most people in the UK are similarly minded. https://fullfact.org/blog/2020/apr/half ... ans-trust/ Education: The need to get kids back to school is imperative for their education and because the economy needs the parents at work. Is it safe ? Its never going to be 100% safe. But people get in their cars to go to work everyday and run a 1 -200 risk of dying in a car accident,so should everyone stop driving their cars to work until its safer!

Given the very limited incidence of Covid in the community the chance of teachers being infected is 325k from 65m so 0.5% it seems the risks are very low and surely this is an acceptable level of risk? We are being told a vaccine is end of 2021 earliest so are we prepared to disrupt children's education for another 18 months? On line learning is no substitute for school where education is only one part of the benefits of attending

Time for some blunt honesty.
Kids need to be back at school and there WILL be an increase in cases and SOME additional deaths but, on balance, it's worth it.
Kids with vulnerable adults/family will need to take additional precautions.
and in some cases will need on line /home schooling.

I found it interesting that Chris Witty actually said that it was safe for kids to be back at school but, didn't mention the external risks that would increase.
His paraphrasing was straight out of the Cummings handbook and clearly some of his "independence" has been lost / bought.

Also worth noting that one of the schools in Dundee now has 17 positive cases among it's small teaching staff.

Agree on balance it has to happen.
Damned if you do,damned if you don't.

I completely agree with the above - perhaps if the teachers had practised what they preach the situation may not have been as bad as it would appear?

The level of risk varies depending people’s actions and how policy/rules influence that. There’s also the time dimension to consider when assessing that risk. Where does the 325k figure come from?

It is about balancing different risks. There’s no solution, just choices - until there’s a vaccine, anyway.

I agree that kids have to get back to school at some point, and we will see how that goes in a week's time. It's going to be a very interesting run up to Christmas, that is for sure.

The sheer amount of contradictory advice and opinion is staggering. At one end of the scale, schools are the safest places in the world with children being pretty much immune to the virus and also incapable of passing it on. At the other end of the scale, schools are breeding grounds for the virus with children being potent carriers and super spreaders to everyone they come into contact with. Someone is going to be right. Let's just hope it's those who think the former.

I've still got a question over the line which I keep reading about Covid being 'much less virulent among children'. I'd like to know the cut off age at which children are less virulent and just as virulent as adults. I'm just thinking about secondary schools with sixth forms where the kids are aged 11 to 18.