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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I loved the quote from one of the guests on 5 live this morning, likening EU membership to "Hotel California" where, "you can check out but never leave". Referring to the UK still having to adhere to most of the laws and regulations of the EU, even if we are "OUT", it made me chuckle.
Cant remember the guys name other than he was one of Thatcher's negotiators and his most interesting comment was a swipe at Mrs May, when he said that Thatcher would not have triggered article 50 until she was certain of what she wanted and equally certain of what could be achieved, something that Mrs May has failed on both counts.
Also, he wasn't over complimentary of our negotiators, which becomes more of a worry if we ever move on and start talking about the future trade deal, not only with the EU but, to the wider world. Something that we have been constantly reminded, by Brexitiers, will be the making (saving) of The UK.'"
Nobody, from either leave/remain Conservative/Labour/DUP/SNP have covered themselves in glory.
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Nobody, from either leave/remain Conservative/Labour/DUP/SNP have covered themselves in glory.'"
Perhaps - there’s not been a reet lot of glory to go around.
But let’s not pretend that means they’re all as bad as each other.
At the time of the referendum, my local MP was Ed Vaizey. Having moved, it is now Andrew Bridgen. One lost and responded in a pragmatic and reasonable way, and the other won and has been like a pig in poop - with predictable consequences.
The politicians who most enthusiastically advocated leave have tended to be those least willing to face up to the consequences of their triumph and behave responsibly. They’re a bunch of losers who literally don’t know what to do with victory.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Perhaps - there’s not been a reet lot of glory to go around.
But let’s not pretend that means they’re all as bad as each other.
At the time of the referendum, my local MP was Ed Vaizey. Having moved, it is now Andrew Bridgen. One lost and responded in a pragmatic and reasonable way, and the other won and has been like a pig in poop - with predictable consequences.
The politicians who most enthusiastically advocated leave have tended to be those least willing to face up to the consequences of their triumph and behave responsibly. They’re a bunch of losers who literally don’t know what to do with victory.'"
You are letting your political bias cloud your judgement sir.
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "You are letting your political bias cloud your judgement sir.'"
Inevitably. However, that is my judgement.
It’s one thing to mould reality to win an argument, but quite another to proceed on that basis having won. I’m not appalled by the lies, i’m appalled by the stubborn naïvety, and the shock that the world won’t do as it is told - even when the instructions are spoken loudly and clearly in the Queen’s own English.
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Nobody, from either leave/remain Conservative/Labour/DUP/SNP have covered themselves in glory.'"
The only M.P.'s who could stop May's deal are the Tories & the Puppet Masters from across the Irish Sea.
It appears J.R.M. is planning to get his "no-deal" scenario in through the back door, whatever peoples view of him are, he knows is stuff & is adamant that any vote to take "no-deal" off the table requires a change in statute, not just a flimsy vote in the commons.
What a sorry state of affairs that he has become one of the poster boys for the hard Brexit brigade!
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| I agree with what has been said above:-
May Loses the vote tonight
Tomorrow the vote will be to take no deal off the table
Thursday the vote is to extend article 50 (not sure what for yet)
Because of the shower in the commons can't agree. We have to have another Referendum and we will vote to remain.
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| Quote: POSTL "I agree with what has been said above
There‘s a rumour that May will pre-empt that by announcing she will request an extension immediately.
Mind you, there’s another rumour that the men in grey suits might pull the plug on her premiership tonight.
Who knows what happens next in either of those scenarios?
It’s a struggle to see her coming up with something radically different at this point, and a Conservative leadership campaign wouldn’t be exactly timely.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "There‘s a rumour that May will pre-empt that by announcing she will request an extension immediately.
Mind you, there’s another rumour that the men in grey suits might pull the plug on her premiership tonight.
Who knows what happens next in either of those scenarios?
It’s a struggle to see her coming up with something radically different at this point, and a Conservative leadership campaign wouldn’t be exactly timely.'"
I don't [ithink[/i she can do that, unless she has tabled an amendment already.
However it ends up happening, we have a lame duck government and opposition, I reckon Guy Fawkes had the right idea centuries ago.
They are all self-serving (and I am talking ministers/shadow ministers here, not rank and file MP's who genuinely try to do their best)
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| Considering what has happened on Ben Nevis today, the last comment in the debate was seriously in poor taste.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "There‘s a rumour that May will pre-empt that by announcing she will request an extension immediately.
Mind you, there’s another rumour that the men in grey suits might pull the plug on her premiership tonight.
Who knows what happens next in either of those scenarios?
It’s a struggle to see her coming up with something radically different at this point, and a Conservative leadership campaign wouldn’t be exactly timely.'"
I really can't see where she will go if or more likely when her deal is rejected.
The EU have said there will be no more negotiations on this and to be fair it seems they have held firm following the last vote, maybe given a little. Therefore, if the EU are really adamant that there not willing to negotiate any further, then equally why would they agree to extend article 50 to what end
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| Quote: POSTL "I really can't see where she will go if or more likely when her deal is rejected.
The EU have said there will be no more negotiations on this and to be fair it seems they have held firm following the last vote, maybe given a little. Therefore, if the EU are really adamant that there not willing to negotiate any further, then equally why would they agree to extend article 50 to what end'"
Continuing Fishing Policy
Continuing Farming Policy
Continuing Migration Policy
Continuing Payments from the UK
Basically, no change!
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| Quote: POSTL "I really can't see where she will go if or more likely when her deal is rejected.
The EU have said there will be no more negotiations on this and to be fair it seems they have held firm following the last vote, maybe given a little. Therefore, if the EU are really adamant that there not willing to negotiate any further, then equally why would they agree to extend article 50 to what end'"
Finally and hopefully Mrs May will resign by lunch time tomorrow.
The noose is already tightening, which seems to be affecting her voice.
The interesting bit will be just who replaces her.
Gove and Boris both seem ready for round 2, with back stabbing aplenty, Rees Mogg
Maybe even Amber Rudd with throw her hat in the ring and then we'll go through all of this again.
The one sure thing is, with Labour more fractured than the Tories, they will be nowhere near Downing street.
But, the only certainty is that there will be more uncertainty.
The ecconomy is flat lining and nobody gives a flying whatsit.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The ecconomy is flat lining and nobody gives a flying whatsit.'"
Indeed, our politicians have let us down totally, on all sides.
Watching it on BBC is painfull, so much flowery language and little substance.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Finally and hopefully Mrs May will resign by lunch time tomorrow.
The noose is already tightening, which seems to be affecting her voice.
The interesting bit will be just who replaces her.
Gove and Boris both seem ready for round 2, with back stabbing aplenty, Rees Mogg
I agree she should really resign, she went headlong into it not even taking her own party with her, but where will that leave the Brexit Negotiations.
I wouldn't turn my back on Gove especially if he has a knife, Boris is a Bafoon and was a terrible Foreign Secretary, 9I think ever May breathed a sigh of relief when he finally resigned), Reece Mogg No. If she does resign. I think Domonic Raab might just throw his hat in there.
to be fair I wouldn't like any of the bunch in the Commons at the moment anywhere near number 10. I just couldn't be more embarrassed at the whole fiasco.
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| A loss of one hundred & forty nine.
Resign now!
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