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| Quote: tigertot "We can get French wine from India? ![]()
I wouldn't think so never checked but I did say equivalent.
I believe there are other countries though outside of the EU that produce wine.
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“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22
"It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21
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| Quote: glow "
I believe there are other countries though outside of the EU that produce wine.'"
Yes they are on sale everywhere in the UK. | | | |
| Quote: glow "I wouldn't think so never checked but I did say equivalent.
I believe there are other countries though outside of the EU that produce wine.'"
You can buy Pinot Noir from central otago at Sainsburys cheaper than I can here... Same with lamb at M&S..... Cheaper for you than us here..... Because of the trade deals with the EU that NZ has...... Once you hard brexit you lose that discounted rate.... Prices rise......so you buy British.... Which for the lamb is fine.... But not the red wine  | | |
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“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22
"It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21
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| Quote: Call Me God "You can buy Pinot Noir from central otago at Sainsburys cheaper than I can here... Same with lamb at M&S..... Cheaper for you than us here..... Because of the trade deals with the EU that NZ has...... Once you hard brexit you lose that discounted rate.... Prices rise......so you buy British.... Which for the lamb is fine.... But not the red wine ![]()
I think you will find we will get better trade deals than the 450 million people remaining in the EU because we are British.
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| Quote: tigertot "I think you will find we will get better trade deals than the 450 million people remaining in the EU because we are British.'"
Jolly Good.... 
Got to look after the heart of the commonwealth and all that...... Colonials will save us.....  | | |
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| Quote: Call Me God "Concerned maybe but they are the #1 trading bloc on the planet and have far greater bargaining power than a single country. It can take up to a decade to negotiate a trade deal with a friendly country..... Much longer if you want favourable terms..... The moment a hard brexit happens UK products get hit with major tarrifs whilst s will Always buy BMWs regardless of the cost.....and as for Spanish fruit...... Where else are you going to get it from?
Edit. On the simplistic idea of taxing German car companies..... Did anyone see the Donald trump v BMW on John Oliver? Trump at a rally said was going to tax BMW...... The rally was 100km away from the largest BMW plant in the world employing 10,000 Americans..... Simplistic politics got you to vote leave...... Real politics is giving you the butt hurt'"
I didn’t I voted to stay.
But now believe we should just get on with it, and until the EU feels we are getting serious by negotiating with other non EU countries they hold all the cards, I’ve just had quick look at the label on my Hi Viz jacket it says made in China, no doubt imported because the EU has a trade agreement with China.
Well I’m assuming someone in the government has a number for Mr China ring him up and ask him does he now want to agree the same or improve a trade deal direct with us? The EU may spit its dummy out with you but we’re not just looking at Hi Viz jackets we could be looking at steel imports, what fruit and veg do you grow…. Oh and do you make French wine?  | | | |
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I believe China & EU trade 1 Billion Euros worth a day. Trade deals can take 10 years to negotiate. Can you explain why China will give better deals with a desperate little cold island stuck out in the North Sea?
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| Quote: tigertot "I believe China & EU trade 1 Billion Euros worth a day. Trade deals can take 10 years to negotiate. Can you explain why China will give better deals with a desperate little cold island stuck out in the North Sea?'"
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Indeed and it's still on going.
Remember Mrs May's mantra "strong & stable", what a load of nonsense.'"
And yet Labour are still doing their best to make the Tories look strong & stable. Does anyone actually know where Labour stand on Brexit, apart from trotting out promises they can't keep...and then contradicting one another?
"We want a General Election and we can negotiate Brexit" says Corbyn.  | | |
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| Quote: tigertot "I believe China & EU trade 1 Billion Euros worth a day. Trade deals can take 10 years to negotiate. Can you explain why China will give better deals with a desperate little cold island stuck out in the North Sea?'"
The starting point is we currently have a deal, are we both happy to continue with this as it is, whilst we discuss an improved deal as we are no longer restricted to none EU trading regulations | | |
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| Quote: Cronus "As a fairly senior person at VW/Bentley said to me at their Crewe plant a while ago, if there are damaging tariffs in place that will impact sales vs other manufacturers who are already well established in the UK, the simple solution is to establish end-to-end supply chains in the UK and build their cars here.
No tariffs and more jobs. Wonderful. ![]()
We had the same said to us, most of the car plants although expecting an initial down turn are also looking to change their production lines to accommodate more than one vehicle type, we could of course lose some LH drive vehicle production to EU Plants
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| Quote: glow "I didn’t I voted to stay. '"
It was a collective "YOU" rather than just your good self. ![]()
The reality is that the vast majority of those who voted for Brexit, didn't know what Brexit was. To expect the country to pull out of the EU based on an election where all parties lied and the winners overspent and were prosecuted for it is insanity. Brexit, whichever one you get, isn't going to be the one most people who voted for it wanted. The Irish border issue is just an example of the sheer cost of this to the UK and the #1 cross border activity will become smuggling......we were very adept at it last time there was a hard border with NI
October 18th. There needs to be an agreement on the Border, the Cash Settlement and the rights of each parties citizens.......if that passes without those 3 then you get your Hard Brexit......and the Dark Ages (and 2007) will seem like disneyland for the working classes of the UK 
I'll leave you with this. Jacob Rees-Mogg or Boris Johnson will lead the country by the time you leave.........these are the types of politician that closed the Mines, tried to abolish trade Unions, sold the "family jewels" through Privatisation and who have let the NHS fall into a coma through lack of investment and the only people not to suffer are the Wealthy.....do you really think that anything will change other than the workers will work harder for less and probably on 0 hour contracts whilst the wealthy will get richer? | | |
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| Quote: Call Me God "The first part of your post basically defined jingoistic ideals and nationalism, with a hint of "mass immigration" thrown in. The concept of a number of different states or countries combining is nothing new in History, with the USA and Italy 2 that spring to mind, but that's a red herring, because what you don't like about the EU is that Britain isn't in charge and the others can "gang up on you".
This argument can be done to death, but basically being told what to do by Germas and letting Eastern European foreigners compete for jobs across borders doesn't sit well with you.....whether you admit/see it or not, that's a pretty modern take on "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" as well as a similar stance as to the "rivers of blood" rhetoric of the 60's and 70's.'"
Hmmm. Which part of 'The EU needs reform' defines jingoistic ideals and nationalism?
Well done, you managed to roll out even more cliches though. Here's a helpful tipThe economy will take a hit, that's for sure and I would predict that it will take more than a generation or it to even start to recover.'"
But recover it will. Free of a federal EU and their idiotic ideology.
Quote: Call Me God "21.5 million (70%) of the tourists who visit Britain each year come from the EU countries........throw up your border checks and watch that drop.'"
What, are we carrying out body searches on every EU citizen? Don't be stupid, how do non-EU citizens enter the UK right now? Pretty easily for the most. At worst our EU neighbours with such close socio-economic ties might have to carry out an online tick-box exercise to obtain what could loosely be termed a 'visa'. Of course EU tourist numbers will probably drop marginally (remembering that many tourists are not tourists by our usual definition), but really, what on earth is your point here?
You probably also believe all EU-UK flights will be grounded in a few months.
Quote: Call Me God "250,000 SME's in the UK ship product to the EU.....throw on WTO tariffs, as well as cost for Customs agents, cross border shipping costs and all the other associated stuff that they'll have to do and you'll drive many of them to the wall. Then you have to negotiate with countries individually......the "collective" deal that the EU gets at present will not be mirrored when the UK does business......so the deals will be worse...and currently The UK split their trade 55% with the rest of the world and 45% with the EU......and the 55% part will take decades to get any sort of agreements sorted.'"
Only 5-8% of UK businesses export to the EU, 200,000 businesses at very most. If necessary the better businesses will adapt, seek out new markets, new clients, new supply chains. Some might fall by the way. Unless a company is 100% reliant on low-margin EU trade, there is room to adapt.
BTW, for decades the RoW 55% has been growing while the EU 45% has been shrinking. You talk about the future? There it is.
Quote: Call Me God "The 2 fastest growing economies in the world are China and India......they are exporters of pretty much everything the UK manufactures, but they do it bigger and faster and cheaper....a lot cheaper. Trump has the largest economy on the planet and he's hurting with the trade war with china....cheap is the future,so by all means reopen the mines, produce more steel, but nobody care's about quality like they did back in the 50's......so British Made products will have to be competitively priced.'"
And the same applies to the EU, in fact everyone. Not having 28 countries nit-picking over every detail means we can reach agreements far more quickly than the EU ever has. The fine detail of EU negotiations are often farcical, which is why they take so long.
Cheap isn't always the future. Ask the construction industry - it's well known buying Chinese steel is a recipe for disaster. The same applies across many industries...buying Chinese is often a false economy.
Quote: Call Me God "Have you seen Nigel Farrage's Facebook Poll? He reckons a 2nd vote would still say "leave" and has said as much......it's not gone too well for him, has it '"
Nope, I don't follow Mr Farage. But tell me, how did the polls predict Brexit and indeed the 2010 election?
Quote: Call Me God "The reality is that the vast majority of those who voted for Brexit, didn't know what Brexit was. To expect the country to pull out of the EU based on an election where all parties lied and the winners overspent and were prosecuted for it is insanity. Brexit, whichever one you get, isn't going to be the one most people who voted for it wanted. The Irish border issue is just an example of the sheer cost of this to the UK and the #1 cross border activity will become smuggling......we were very adept at it last time there was a hard border with NI  HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.
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| Edited Highlights of a non-jingoistic and assuredly non-racist point of view
Quote: Cronus "
Far too many, far too quickly.
to much higher birth rates among immigrants.
Germanics running the EU <snip>They do not like dissent, or admitting they could be even partially wrong.
...buying Chinese is often a false economy.
even if they've experienced Eastern European criminal gangs or Romany pickpockets, if your electrician husband has taken a 20% drop in income due to cheap Polish labour,
or the 15 drunk Eastern Europeans living in the terraced house
And screw the Irish.
The parade of Irish/Sinn Fein puppet
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.......nah, nothing i there to make me think you didn't vote leave because you just don't like foreigners....nothing at all.  |
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