I agree with your post completely. The plan here is immunity with a combination of the old being vaccinated and the young infected but it is such a massive gamble but because the RO is so high so many people will be infected at one time potentially 100,000 per day it will cause absolute mayhem with lots of people probably dying unnecessarily and lots of young people being left with potential lifelong health problems.

There is still so much we don’t know about this virus that everything is a gamble. This is not one I agree with.

You obviously know a lot about the medical side of things but one thing that alarmed me is the fact that Covid has developed from something with an Ro rate of 1 to 2 to the new level of 8. On that trajectory it could get up to the same levels of virulence as measles which is 14 as new variations develop.


If we end up with a new variation as a result of this going wrong I would hope everyone starts calling it the Boris variant

I worry that we (UK) are now radically out of step with the rest of the world. I want to travel, it's a huge part of my job, my team is spread over Europe, China and Japan and I haven't been able to work with them in person for nearly 2 years. We can't exist in isolation and we are effectively self isolating the whole of the UK.

The problem you have is the young don't see the benefit of the vaccination and they have been scared off by all the doom mongerers about negative impacts of having the vaccination esp. Astra Zenica. If you are only going to suffer mild symptoms why bother? There are 3m unvaccinated - we did 18k on Sunday - at that rate it would take 6 months to vaccinate all the young.

So what is your strategy then - delay opening up for what, wait for the boosters - it will be Spring next year before there is another reasonable window.

We've been sliding in that direction for the best part of 2 decades IMO

I think the change to the track and trace quarantine rules were announced without much thought which is unusual for Johnson. The first suggestion was that certain employees of what is considered vital trades do not need to quarantine if pinged. This was then changed to require each employer to apply to the government to have a specific employee exempt. I wonder how that is going to work because I am sure the government have nothing in place and why bother because everything changes again on the 16th.

Sorry ZZB but, do you think that is acceptable to have people treating you for an illness if they could pass on a virus that may kill you.
Of course, if you're having a heart attack and the choice is no help or, let someone treat you who has covid then, most people would want to take their chances of catching covid.
However, when you have hospitals treating people with suppressed immune systems, you cant have staff passing on the virus.
Mind you, if Cummings is to be believed, in Bojo's mind, the over 80's dont matter so, perhaps we should allow covid to "take" those with cancer as well.
In fact, we could start euthanizing any vulnerable groups, it might save a few bob

You simply cant have infected people treating people in hospital.

I understand your sentiment (about being happy to stay on your island). However, assuming that Covid isn't going away anytime soon, I'm not sure that perpetual lockdowns is a great way to carry on in the longer term.
Having said that, if our government had managed a better level of control for people moving in and out of the country, we would certainly be in a better position now than we are.
The mixed messaging from Government over here is unbelievable, hypocrisy and confusion with every new day and an opposition party without any coherent strategy, which leaves Bojo & Co to carry on regardless.

Are you allowed to change the thread title as you didn’t start it, or is it just to suit your own agenda

One thing that Covid has reminded us all is that the Tories don't give a flying one about ordinary folk!

But they said they were going to level up.

Well he’s right. Just look at the disgraceful “protest” towards doctors and nurses at Trafalgar Square.