FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Sin Bin > Brexit Anyone?
1061 posts in 72 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
RankPostsTeam
Moderator12646
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
33809_1522680904.png
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png

Moderator


Quote: Sal Paradise "Racism has been alive and kicking in this country it is no worse since the vote than it was before a few isolated cases make it bit more visible.

Why shouldn't the judges be criticised are they above it? Plenty of press calling when EU law was used to prevent Abu from extradition.

The quality of MPs is at an all time low and the public are not fools - they don't want to be told what is best for them by a bunch self interested incompetents with very questionable behaviours.

Corbyn is prepared to go against the flow the fact his ideas are barmy is besides the point.'"


There are two problems with that criticism of the judges, imo.

Firstly, a good deal of it was personal rather than based on the legal correctness of decision. Even if we assume that being in public life makes somebody fair game, then at best these members of the press were missing the point. If the press think the law is bad, as many did with the EU extradition thing, criticisize the law not the judges. Of course, if they think the law had been poorly interpreted that's a different matter, but I didn't see that argument, so presumably it was weak. Or chucking vitriol is easier and shifts more copies.

Secondly, an independent judiciary is bound is by the law, not (directly) the will of the people. Democracy isn't a trump card in all constitutional matters.

That many judges are over privileged wazzocks, I'd accept. But that doesn't necessarily make their decisions wrong.

RankPostsTeam
International Star17980
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp006.gif
:simpsons/simp006.gif



Quote: Sal Paradise "Racism has been alive and kicking in this country it is no worse since the vote than it was before a few isolated cases make it bit more visible.

Why shouldn't the judges be criticised are they above it? Plenty of press calling when EU law was used to prevent Abu from extradition.

The quality of MPs is at an all time low and the public are not fools - they don't want to be told what is best for them by a bunch self interested incompetents with very questionable behaviours.

Corbyn is prepared to go against the flow the fact his ideas are barmy is besides the point.'"


Your first point is utter nonesense.

There has been a huge change in attitudes, both during and post referendum and to brush the increase in racist comments aside as "isolated cases" is quite worrying in itself.
The whole tone used by Farage was divisive and bordering on racist, indeed, he has apologised for some of his own comments, for being over the top.
Whilst all of the mud slinging during the campaign may make decent newspaper headlines, we all have to move on and live together after the dust has settled and this has been made far more difficult over the past 6 month or so.
Unless you are one the many people at the sharp end of the comments, it's difficult to know exactly what it is like to be an immigrant in the UK.
Regarding the Judges, of course it's ok to question them but, they rule on points of law and they are and have to be outside the political world.
The British press are the main protagonists of our brave new world. However, unfortunately, there is so much bias, both in the manner which they report the new and the agenda that their owners are working towards that, most of the news, reported in the daily papers is nothing more than their personal propaganda.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3829
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
18686.jpg
In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats! They're eating the pets!:18686.jpg



Quote: Sal Paradise "Racism has been alive and kicking in this country it is no worse since the vote than it was before a few isolated cases make it bit more visible.'"


Hate crimes rose by 41% the month after Brexit.

Quote: Sal Paradise "Why shouldn't the judges be criticised are they above it? Plenty of press calling when EU law was used to prevent Abu from extradition.'"


The Daily Mail were calling the three High Court Judges enemies of the people.

Quote: Sal Paradise "The quality of MPs is at an all time low and the public are not fools - they don't want to be told what is best for them by a bunch self interested incompetents with very questionable behaviours.

Corbyn is prepared to go against the flow the fact his ideas are barmy is besides the point.'"


The quality of our M.P's & the Labour leaders views are surely irrelevant as to whether we leave the E.U or not?

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman18060No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2023Jun 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: The Devil's Advocate "Hate crimes rose by 41% the month after Brexit.

The Daily Mail were calling the three High Court Judges enemies of the people.

The quality of our M.P's & the Labour leaders views are surely irrelevant as to whether we leave the E.U or not?'"


We don't hear much about it now - race violence seems to have returned to usual levels. I would suggest there is significant amounts of inter-immigrant violence - how much of that was in your 41%

The quality of the MPs has everything to do with us leaving the EU - the vote was as much a protest vote against the establishment as anything. You have arrogant Labour MPs David Lamy who has come out and said he knows best, can the vote. No wonder these guys are so despised.

The majority of those who voted wanted us to leave the EU if that doesn't happen on a technicality of the law then democracy will take a blow and it eventually back fire.

RankPostsTeam
International Star17980
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp006.gif
:simpsons/simp006.gif



Quote: Sal Paradise "We don't hear much about it now - race violence seems to have returned to usual levels. I would suggest there is significant amounts of inter-immigrant violence - how much of that was in your 41%

The quality of the MPs has everything to do with us leaving the EU - the vote was as much a protest vote against the establishment as anything. You have arrogant Labour MPs David Lamy who has come out and said he knows best, can the vote. No wonder these guys are so despised.

The majority of those who voted wanted us to leave the EU if that doesn't happen on a technicality of the law then democracy will take a blow and it eventually back fire.'"


Back to point 1.

Again, really ??
So you think that all of the racists and bigots that, following the referendum vote, thought it was ok to tell people to "go home", have suddenly realised the error of their ways and stopped, WOW. d040.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman18060No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2023Jun 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: wrencat1873 "Back to point 1.

Again, really ??
So you think that all of the racists and bigots that, following the referendum vote, thought it was ok to tell people to "go home", have suddenly realised the error of their ways and stopped, WOW.
No I don't those people were racists/bigots before the vote - the vote didn't suddenly give them clarity of thought and purpose.

The vote gave them a platform for a few weeks that has gone away - business as usual.

I see quite the opposite a focus on making sure those already here are able to remain after we exit the EU - much greater ground swell of opinion to deliver on that than those wanting to send them all home.

RankPostsTeam
International Star6848No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
68072_1442575000.jpg
What you looking at?....Butt Head!!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68072.jpg



Quote: Sal Paradise "No I don't those people were racists/bigots before the vote - the vote didn't suddenly give them clarity of thought and purpose.

The vote gave them a platform for a few weeks that has gone away - business as usual.

I see quite the opposite a focus on making sure those already here are able to remain after we exit the EU - much greater ground swell of opinion to deliver on that than those wanting to send them all home.'"


Spot on.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3829
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
18686.jpg
In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats! They're eating the pets!:18686.jpg



Quote: Sal Paradise "The quality of the MPs has everything to do with us leaving the EU - the vote was as much a protest vote against the establishment as anything. You have arrogant Labour MPs David Lamy who has come out and said he knows best, can the vote. No wonder these guys are so despised.

The majority of those who voted wanted us to leave the EU if that doesn't happen on a technicality of the law then democracy will take a blow and it eventually back fire.'"


You're kind of floating a mixed message here.

On the one hand your saying people voted to leave the E.U. as a protest against the establishment, then it's about wanting to leave the E.U.

Either way the majority of those that voted will get their wish, but they still voted the same way as a member of U.K.I.P.

Respect.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4934
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2022Dec 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
40515_1330766741.jpg
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you! - Winston Churchill:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40515.jpg



Quote: The Devil's Advocate "You're kind of floating a mixed message here.

On the one hand your saying people voted to leave the E.U. as a protest against the establishment, then it's about wanting to leave the E.U.

Either way the majority of those that voted will get their wish, but they still voted the same way as a member of U.K.I.P.

Respect.'"


17.4million voted to leave for a combination of different reasons and many of these had made their minds up well before the referendum and include voters from all the different parties. This number could well have been higher but for the establishment orchestrated Project Fear campaign which must have had some success as the Leave side never offered any positive reasons to stay and the EU is crumbling before our eyes.

RankPostsTeam
International Star17980
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp006.gif
:simpsons/simp006.gif



Quote: Juan Cornetto "17.4million voted to leave for a combination of different reasons and many of these had made their minds up well before the referendum and include voters from all the different parties. This number could well have been higher but for the establishment orchestrated Project Fear campaign which must have had some success as the Leave side never offered any positive reasons to stay and the EU is crumbling before our eyes.'"


Equally, the figure could have been a whole lot lower , had it not been for the lies trotted out by Farage's team.
We're all waiting for the cash injection into the NHS that will never materialise (certainly ano as a result of any savings on EU contributions).
Also, had the remain team not used Cameron and Osborne, two good reasons for voting "the other way".
Project Fear vs Project fingers crossed

Most of us are still waiting for the good news to come.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman14845No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2021Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
143_1357419061.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_143.jpg



The panic surrounding Brexit is simply inane. At the end of the day the UK will sink or swim on its own merits and by selling goods / services the rest of the world wants to buy. Being in or out of the EU will make no difference to that. Arguably we are better placed out, especially as we were not members of the Eurozone and therefore had virtually no influence inside the EU.

RankPostsTeam
International Star17980
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp006.gif
:simpsons/simp006.gif



Quote: Dally "The panic surrounding Brexit is simply inane. At the end of the day the UK will sink or swim on its own merits and by selling goods / services the rest of the world wants to buy. Being in or out of the EU will make no difference to that. Arguably we are better placed out, especially as we were not members of the Eurozone and therefore had virtually no influence inside the EU.'"


You may be right but, unless you have a crystal ball (something which the UK government could do with) and can tell people what is likely to happen with the imports and exports to and from the EU and can guarantee the status of the millions of citizens who will be directly affected by whatever decision is finally agreed, your statement is just on of pure optimism, without anything to back it up.
I keep hoping to win the lottery but, it hasn't happened yet.

Of course, longre term, say 10 years down the line, we will all have found a new level and status within the world but, NOBODY can say whether this will be vetter or worse than it is now.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3829
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
18686.jpg
In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats! They're eating the pets!:18686.jpg



Well, at least Ian Brady is cheesed off with the High Court ruling. (There's some top folk advocating Brexit aren't there)

Murderer Brady also made a shocking attack on the High Court’s ruling that the British Government must get Parliament's approval before proceeding with Brexit talks.

He wrote

Every cloud and all that - except for a mushroom cloud of course.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4934
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2022Dec 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
40515_1330766741.jpg
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you! - Winston Churchill:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40515.jpg



Quote: wrencat1873 "Equally, the figure could have been a whole lot lower , had it not been for the lies trotted out by Farage's team.
We're all waiting for the cash injection into the NHS that will never materialise (certainly ano as a result of any savings on EU contributions).
Also, had the remain team not used Cameron and Osborne, two good reasons for voting "the other way".
Project Fear vs Project fingers crossed

Most of us are still waiting for the good news to come.'"


The red bus was nothing to do with Farage and you will have to wait for the good news until after we have left as we are stuck with the crumbling union until then.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member625
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Jan 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2494_1279392805.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_2494.jpg



rlVideo evidence emerges of Nigel Farage pledging EU millions for NHS weeks before Brexit voterl

Quote: "“Can we just get to the truth of this - £350 million a week is wrong, it’s higher than that,” '"


1061 posts in 72 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
1061 posts in 72 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


3.17578125:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
3855
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4s
Transfer Talk V5
batleyrhino
461
9s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
3855
11s
New Players
Halfdan of t
119
16s
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
Scarlet Pimp
7
17s
Positivity Pact
Sebasteeno
3
18s
removing posts
Dannyboywt1
3
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63070
1m
IMG Score
Maccbull_Big
70
1m
Call for funds
Hudd-Shay
188
1m
Film game
karetaker
5298
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
Scarlet Pimp
7
TODAY
Offiah on Salary Cap
karetaker
6
TODAY
removing posts
Dannyboywt1
3
TODAY
Season pass roll call
Cuddleclub
16
TODAY
Positivity Pact
Sebasteeno
3
TODAY
Jack Coventry
Wanderer
1
TODAY
A Year to Remember
Zig
1
TODAY
2025 Annual
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
2025 KIT Thread
Sadfish
1
TODAY
NRL Kick Off Rules
stpatricks
7
TODAY
Garry Schofield
PopTart
6
TODAY
Out of contract 2025
Wires71
8
TODAY
Gary Schofield
Jake the Peg
9
TODAY
Joe Phillips
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Andy Ellis
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Manoa Wacokecoke
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jeylan Hodgson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Mackenzie Harman
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Ben Dent
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Callum Rutland
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Harry Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jack Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Garry Schofield
karetaker
12
TODAY
Lennon Bursell
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Brett Ferres
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Reece Dean
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Alex Holdstock
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Thomas Minns
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Josh Guzdek
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jamie Shaul
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
899
England's Women Demolish The W..
740
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1006
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
798
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1085
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1598
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1850
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2112
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1690
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1931
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2397
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1835
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1925
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2103
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2245
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.64M 1,004 ↓-2680,15414,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
There are currently no matches to display.
Matches on TV
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
3855
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4s
Transfer Talk V5
batleyrhino
461
9s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
3855
11s
New Players
Halfdan of t
119
16s
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
Scarlet Pimp
7
17s
Positivity Pact
Sebasteeno
3
18s
removing posts
Dannyboywt1
3
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63070
1m
IMG Score
Maccbull_Big
70
1m
Call for funds
Hudd-Shay
188
1m
Film game
karetaker
5298
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
Scarlet Pimp
7
TODAY
Offiah on Salary Cap
karetaker
6
TODAY
removing posts
Dannyboywt1
3
TODAY
Season pass roll call
Cuddleclub
16
TODAY
Positivity Pact
Sebasteeno
3
TODAY
Jack Coventry
Wanderer
1
TODAY
A Year to Remember
Zig
1
TODAY
2025 Annual
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
2025 KIT Thread
Sadfish
1
TODAY
NRL Kick Off Rules
stpatricks
7
TODAY
Garry Schofield
PopTart
6
TODAY
Out of contract 2025
Wires71
8
TODAY
Gary Schofield
Jake the Peg
9
TODAY
Joe Phillips
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Andy Ellis
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Manoa Wacokecoke
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jeylan Hodgson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Mackenzie Harman
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Ben Dent
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Callum Rutland
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Harry Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jack Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Garry Schofield
karetaker
12
TODAY
Lennon Bursell
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Brett Ferres
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Reece Dean
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Alex Holdstock
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Thomas Minns
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Josh Guzdek
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jamie Shaul
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
899
England's Women Demolish The W..
740
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1006
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
798
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1085
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1598
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1850
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2112
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1690
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1931
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2397
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1835
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1925
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2103
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2245


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!