Correct, once ‘we’ voted to leave be that rightly or wrongly, and whether the MP’s agreed with it or not they were elected and have a duty to represent the people, they should be doing their upmost to assist in obtaining the best possible Brexit for the Britain. If for whatever reasons they feel they can’t do that then there are other careers available.

It's a fair point - but with such a close result and 'the people' being virtually split down the middle, that's quite an ask; no matter your position, half of your constituents will feel you're not representing their views. Not to mention that overwhelming evidence that has since emerged that the referendum result was secured through dishonesty and illegal practices. On that basis, I'm fairly relaxed about some MP's opposing Brexit - it could be argued that its the more democratic attitude.

And that's quite aside from the fact that there is no such thing as a good Brexit - let alone the land of milk and honey that various charlatans talked about 2 years ago.

I'd be quite happy to see the whole thing reset and a new vote held, based on the information that has since become available; it seems reasonable and entirely democratic to put the deal, or lack of, to the people, together with an option to remain, and ask them again.

As you know from the tone of my (many) posts, I voted remain and was as hacked of an anyone with the lies and deceit during the campaign, especially from the leave side.
However, much as the thought of being outside the EU is a worry and my personal fears for the economy are closer to the cliff edge than some kind of economic miracle (whereby we achieve some growth in our economy post Brexit), unless there was a second vote, with a landslide majority in either direction (and I dont believe this will be the case), nobody will be satisfied with the result and the "losing" side will want to push for some kind of "3rd time lucky" vote.

Again, much as it goes against my personal preferences, the government, along with the leave supporters should have got on with exiting the EU and if this meant a hard border between N. Ireland and Eire, then so be it.

We (the UK) are allowing The EU to call all of the shots and we will be so far from any kind of "good" deal, it's just criminal.
However a second or third vote wont help and the uncertainty within business is not helping anyone.

Unfortunately Cameron and May between them have made a right royal mess of the whole thing and we will all have the "pleasure" of dealing with the fallout.

Hard border in Ireland would mean a return to the troubles within months. That's a price to high to pay.

Sorry Wrencat, but that's a ridiculously trite way to dismiss the prospect of a return to conflict in NI - which is what would happen if a hard border was implemented.

The "just get on with it" argument is childishly simplistic - and if the past 2 years have taught anyone anything, it's that there wasn't and never will be a straightforward way to leave the EU; something which the dullards who promoted it appear to have wilfully misunderstood.

Started well then fell apart in the second sentence when you presumed to know why people had voted leave.
Here's my tenpennorth. If there is a second vote then only the people that voted leave should get a vote on whether they agree with the terms or not. Clearly there cannot be a vote on whether people agree with the terms when 48% have already said they wouldn't agree to any terms that mean we leave. On the other hand I would change my vote and choose stay. Nothing to do with any terms but because it has now been shown that we do not have any politicians of any colour that are capable of running a bath let alone a country.

Yes..... And if you have a particular skillset they don't care about your creed, colour or age.

Britain is on a hiding to nothing now in terms of brexit and that bulldog spirit of 1939 doesn't exist anymore...... So it's either grin and bear it or draw a line under it..... But as others have said. A second vote won't be enough for some.......

It may be virtually split down the middle, there are MP’s with marginal seats should they have to stand for re-election, at what point does the majority carry? I’m too lazy (and at work) to look it up but wasn’t it over a Million?

I wish the MP’s spent as much time concentrating on getting us as good a deal as possible as they do moaning about it. We voted get on with it.

I may be missing things but I don’t think we are putting enough pressure on the European MP’s from within, I don’t see Manuel the Spanish tomato grower worrying about all the UK sales he’s going to lose if we don’t get a trade deal, as the UK is now in negotiations for a better trade agreement with say South Africa.



Agreed, as we are in negotiations what is the Irish Governments proposal?

While you can argue that the people have spoken, even if it is for a disaster, I look forward to the next time a non-right wing Government is voted in & the right wing & Nazi supporting press, along with the Tory MPs, work their socks off to give unyielding support to the new Government of the day & the democratic wishes of the people.

Give us back the 6 countries and we promise that all the protestants you brits put here under the plantation of ulster will retain their rights?
And as I recall... The IRA weren't bombing Dublin and the Irish didn't vote brexit so
basically its a problem that's British made and therefore needs a British solution.
The EU don't need to negotiate but Britain does..... And quickly.

Quote: Bullseye "Any room in New Zealand?'" Be quick. It's been earmarked as the bolthole for the wealthy for when the proverbial really hits the fan. https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018 ... -preppers/

Quote: Bullseye "Any room in New Zealand?'" Be quick. It's been earmarked as the bolthole for the wealthy for when the proverbial really hits the fan. https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018 ... -preppers/

This wasn’t a normal election, to have a strong government it needs a strong opposition, unfortunately we have neither.

That said its surprising how many times whilst in opposition a party moans about a sitting Governments policy and then when said opposition gets elected doesn’t change those policies.

So they’ve won’t be concerned if we’re no longer interested in buying German Car’s, Spanish fruit and Veg, French wine, Irish meat, etc? As we can get the same or equivalent from elsewhere.

We can get French wine from India?

Concerned maybe but they are the #1 trading bloc on the planet and have far greater bargaining power than a single country. It can take up to a decade to negotiate a trade deal with a friendly country..... Much longer if you want favourable terms..... The moment a hard brexit happens UK products get hit with major tarrifs whilst s will Always buy BMWs regardless of the cost.....and as for Spanish fruit...... Where else are you going to get it from?


Edit. On the simplistic idea of taxing German car companies..... Did anyone see the Donald trump v BMW on John Oliver? Trump at a rally said was going to tax BMW...... The rally was 100km away from the largest BMW plant in the world employing 10,000 Americans..... Simplistic politics got you to vote leave...... Real politics is giving you the butt hurt