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| Quote: DGM "Doesn't empathy go against the whole Tory ideology?
Unless empathy and selfish are the same thing, it will be a long wait.
Mrs May has spouted hot air about fair society for months but, they are just empty words.
Nobody knows what she actually thinks because it seems to change with each day of the week but, she is lacking any attribute that you would want from a leader.
No conviction, no principles, no leadership and no bottle.
FWIW I dont think that Corbyn has got all of those attributes but, he does seem to have some principles (even if I dont agree with some of them).
Everyone knows that she has to go, it's just a matter of time and delaying getting rid isn't helping anyone.
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| Quote: DGM "Doesn't empathy go against the whole Tory ideology?
There are MPs in both parties Brown hardly did himself any favours in 2010 ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Unless empathy and selfish are the same thing, it will be a long wait.
Mrs May has spouted hot air about fair society for months but, they are just empty words.
Nobody knows what she actually thinks because it seems to change with each day of the week but, she is lacking any attribute that you would want from a leader.
No conviction, no principles, no leadership and no bottle.
FWIW I dont think that Corbyn has got all of those attributes but, he does seem to have some principles (even if I dont agree with some of them).
Everyone knows that she has to go, it's just a matter of time and delaying getting rid isn't helping anyone.'"
Completely agree - she has to go and soon - no spine whatsoever
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| As my unlikely new hero MC Saskilla said during an interview with Victoria Derbyshire the other day: "Theresa May doesn’t care about the mandem, she don’t care about the gyaldem, she don’t care about the under privilege, she don’t even care about black people, she don’t care about nobody, let’s be real."
Although I'd amend it slightly - what she cares about is clinging on to power at, it appears, any cost - including the tentative peace in Northern Ireland. Her own MP's are now having to defend and justify her robotic incompetence - and they won't put up with that for long, as the Tories hate weakness; she'll be gone before conference.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "If that is what the government can afford then yes it is - why should this be any different from a commercial enterprise which incidentally is actual funding the increase.
Is it OK to award pay increases if productivity drops - a simple yes or no to both questions will do nicely'"
On point 2, I agree.
On point 1, I dont know if you are being deliberately daft or, whether you understand how local government in funded ?
The only way for local government to increase it's income is from local council tax or government grants, they aren't selling chocolate bars that they can increase the price or, make the bar smaller or, put out a 3 for 2 offer.
Their revenue comes from me and you and if we dont adequately fund our local services and reward the staff properly, what will happen to those services ?
Yes they can alway manage costs a little better and maximise the efficiency of their various departments, just like any other business but, then what ?
We've had the brakes on for the last 7 years, how much longer do you want to reduce the living standards of those who work in these organisations or should they employ people who cant find work elsewhere and are just "happy" to have a job.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "On point 2, I agree.
On point 1, I dont know if you are being deliberately daft or, whether you understand how local government in funded ?
The only way for local government to increase it's income is from local council tax or government grants, they aren't selling chocolate bars that they can increase the price or, make the bar smaller or, put out a 3 for 2 offer.
Their revenue comes from me and you and if we dont adequately fund our local services and reward the staff properly, what will happen to those services ?
Yes they can alway manage costs a little better and maximise the efficiency of their various departments, just like any other business but, then what ?
We've had the brakes on for the last 7 years, how much longer do you want to reduce the living standards of those who work in these organisations or should they employ people who cant find work elsewhere and are just "happy" to have a job.'"
I think you don't understand productivity - productivity isn't an increase in revenue its a way of doing the same with less resource or doing more with the same resource. This country has one of the lowest productivity rates in the EU perhaps if we increased our productivity the brakes would be released - just a thought?
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| Quote: bren2k "As my unlikely new hero MC Saskilla said during an interview with Victoria Derbyshire the other day
Agreed - she cannot last behaving the way she is.
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| So Jeremy Corbyn went to visit the people who live around Grenfell as did the Queen, but Theresa 'Robot' May wont. Is this really the kind of person who wants the best for our country?
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| Quote: bren2k "what she cares about is clinging on to power at, it appears, any cost'"
And why is her hubby always hanging about like a bad smell? Is he just making sure wifey is acting in his, I mean the country's best interests?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "On point 2, I agree.
On point 1, I dont know if you are being deliberately daft or, whether you understand how local government in funded ?
The only way for local government to increase it's income is from local council tax or government grants, they aren't selling chocolate bars that they can increase the price or, make the bar smaller or, put out a 3 for 2 offer.
Their revenue comes from me and you and if we dont adequately fund our local services and reward the staff properly, what will happen to those services ?
Yes they can alway manage costs a little better and maximise the efficiency of their various departments, just like any other business but, then what ?
We've had the brakes on for the last 7 years, how much longer do you want to reduce the living standards of those who work in these organisations or should they employ people who cant find work elsewhere and are just "happy" to have a job.'"
I don't know why you're engaging with this facile, Trumpesque argument that a country can be run like a business - it patently can't, and to distill it down to such simplistic notions misses even the most obvious differences between the two.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I think you don't understand productivity - productivity isn't an increase in revenue its a way of doing the same with less resource or doing more with the same resource. This country has one of the lowest productivity rates in the EU perhaps if we increased our productivity the brakes would be released - just a thought?'"
Yes, I covered that one with "an increase in efficiency"
Even if the brakes were released AND there was an increase in efficiency, which going by numbers of patients treated in the NHS, does seem to have increased in some areas, Mrs May, STILL doesn't want to pay these people more than the 1% cap allows.
BTW, having been a company director for 25 years, I think I might know a little bit about productivity and cost management ![Shoot Poster a026.gif](images/smilies//a026.gif)
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| Quote: bren2k "I don't know why you're engaging with this facile, Trumpesque argument that a country can be run like a business - it patently can't, and to distill it down to such simplistic notions misses even the most obvious differences between the two.'"
No one is saying it should be run like a business - however the basic principles of operational and fiscal cost control and the drive to do things in a more efficient manner should still apply to the public sector?
1% efficiency saving in the NHS is worth £800m - that is my argument with Corbyn - who has suggested nothing about efficiency savings all he is saying is let's throw money at it primarily pay people more to do the same job.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Yes, I covered that one with "an increase in efficiency"
Even if the brakes were released AND there was an increase in efficiency, which going by numbers of patients treated in the NHS, does seem to have increased in some areas, Mrs May, STILL doesn't want to pay these people more than the 1% cap allows.
BTW, having been a company director for 25 years, I think I might know a little bit about productivity and cost management
If you have been a director as long as you say then you would understand that the finances are not a bottomless pit and difficult choices sometimes have to be made. It easy in Jeremy's world - just give everyone what they want but you like I know that simply isn't possible in the real world.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "If you have been a director as long as you say then you would understand that the finances are not a bottomless pit and difficult choices sometimes have to be made. It easy in Jeremy's world - just give everyone what they want but you like I know that simply isn't possible in the real world.'"
Corbyn is a Bruce Almighty!!
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "If you have been a director as long as you say then you would understand that the finances are not a bottomless pit and difficult choices sometimes have to be made. It easy in Jeremy's world - just give everyone what they want but you like I know that simply isn't possible in the real world.'"
Of course choices have to be made BUT, it's fundamentally wrong to effectively force a wage freeze (a reduction in real terms) on people that carry out services on our behalf, which is what all public servants do, whether they are teachers, nurses, care staff, road sweepers etc, etc.
The point is, and I do know that there isnt a bottomless pit that, you cannot suppress the wages of these people indefinitely, it's not right.
It's akin to your boss or, you, if you are the Chief Exec where you work, pumping up his salary year on year and giving his workers the same.
Whatever happened to the "we're in this together, when the austerity measures were first announced.
I'm not advocating double figure percentage increases but, IF we want decent public services, we cant keep squeezing them indefinitely.
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