Is this your assumption / wish / dream / hope ?

For your statement to have any gravitas, Article 50 would have to be invoked in the next few days, prior to the Supreme Court verdict in the new year.

its according to the EU's chief negotiator , by october 2018

Once again, you seem to be riding round on your Cherry Picker



There could be a fair amount of slippage to the start date too, if the Supreme Court agrees with the original decision in the High Court.

I dont think that he has too much to say on this.
More like a wasp hovering over your pint, but it keeps coming back.

I try to understand & respect all posters opinions on the subject, it interests me greatly (what with the near fifty, fifty split in the nation an'all).

But the poster in question appears to enjoy either posting random stuff just to enjoy getting a bite, or because they actually believe some of the bull the right wing papers spout?

But to digress, do you know what appalls me most in this sorry debacle?

That the majority of those that could be bothered, actually voted the same way as someone who’s a member of U.K.I.P.

To us a business term, UKIP have tapped into a market that was being ignored by the other parties and built their campaign of fear. Some of this is genuine but, most is whipped up hysteria by UKIP, The Tory press and some by extremists.
Also, Cameron, although he disappeared faster that you can say "goodbye", by coming back from his tour of the EU with nothing, shot himself in the foot and he was clearly the wrong person to head the "remain" campaign.
Rightly or wrongly, the major topic of the debate was immigration and this clearly hasn't been dealt with, with numbers on the increase and at record levels.
Most people are happy with a level of immigration and there are certain sectors, health for instance, where we are desperately short of qualified staff but, to pretend that immigration is under control, when the election pledge was to reduce the number to "tens of thousands" was reckless.
Despite millions of people saying they knew what they were voting for is laughable, as the government had no idea what the next move should be.
Some want a big wall building up around the island that we live on and others would be happy with a "tweak" to where we were pre the referendum.
The one certainty is that society has become less tolerant of one another and when the dust finally settles, this will be one of the biggest problems for us all to deal with.

yes it then has to be finalised by the EU meaning march 2019 ! sorry

all things going to plan ofcourse which may not happen with maybe further hurdles being thrown in what will eventually happen

But what would have happened had the referendum thrown up a reverse result where 52% voted to remain? Would everyone be carrying on regardless like there weren't any problems in the first place? Clearly there are problems and they're not going to go away any time soon.

Certainly, the symptoms are there, but is the cure for them an EU exit?

There are problems with the EU, no doubt about it but, when the campaigning is done in the way that Farage went about it.
Saying how "worried he would be if a group of Romanians moved in next door" and blaming the EU for the UK immigration "crisis", he managed to simply ignore (or forget) the 250,000 people that come to the UK from outside the EU, who we already have "control" over.
Things generally aer going to get ugly in the EU as some of the other nations try and tackle the conundrum of free movement which, right now is, just impractical and further exasperated by the situation in the middle east, which the UK helped create.

Yes according to the majority of those that voted. It's as black and white as that. Maybe a failure in the yes/no referendum approach. Could we have had more options?

Yep, our leaving the E.U. will cure all the problems of the disaffected at some point in the rosie new dawn.

I think the number of options was plenty, considering the amount of mentally challenged people who managed to tick a box.

I have an opinion on what our negotiation aims should be.

But a few months on I have literally no clue what they will be. Not even in the broadest outline. Now I appreciate the difficulty and complexity of the situation, and that Leave represented an end, rather than a specific new direction, but really... no signals, no coherent messages at all?

The 'playing cards close to the chest', and 'red, white and blue Brexit' stuff - Andrea Leadsom (sp?) got slated for that sort of poop, during their leadership campaign. And it stinks of bluff, of desperately trying to buy time, from a PM with no realistic options that will please a majority of her electorate. I think it might be an insoluble problem. Somebody at some point will have make a decision and whatever it is, it'll be political suicide.

We've seen very worrying things happening surrounding the whole Brexit issue.

- A demonisation and belittling of immigrants
- A demonisation and belittling of other minorities
- Unprecedented attacks on the courts and judges by the media and by government and some politicians
- an unwillingness of most media and politicians to stand up for anything except what they perceive to be the "majority" view.
- an apparent willingness to allow government to take away people's rights and laws without votes in parliament.

Regardless of what anyone's view on whether we should be in the EU or not (personally I think we should be in but leading the change to the EU such as limiting membership of certain nations until they're sufficiently developed economically) these kind of things should worry anybody. They do not bode well for the future.

Racism has been alive and kicking in this country it is no worse since the vote than it was before a few isolated cases make it bit more visible.

Why shouldn't the judges be criticised are they above it? Plenty of press calling when EU law was used to prevent Abu from extradition.

The quality of MPs is at an all time low and the public are not fools - they don't want to be told what is best for them by a bunch self interested incompetents with very questionable behaviours.

Corbyn is prepared to go against the flow the fact his ideas are barmy is besides the point.