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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "People voted (regardless of number), and they voted to leave, it really us as simple as that.'"
Except it isn't - the Leave campaign has slowly but surely been revealed as criminal - with Aaron Banks and Nigel Farage now 'persons of interest' in an FBI investigation; our democracy has been subverted, but very few people seem to care, because they think they 'won' something.
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| Quote: bren2k "Except it isn't - the Leave campaign has slowly but surely been revealed as criminal - with Aaron Banks and Nigel Farage now 'persons of interest' in an FBI investigation; our democracy has been subverted, but very few people seem to care, because they think they 'won' something.'"
No most of us don't care because we've got a brain we can think for ourselves and we wanted to leave the EU end of get over it, We didn't think we won mate we did. Farage wasn't even part of the official leave campaign, he couldn't even win his seat in the election and yet he convinced over 17 million people to vote leave
Our democracy has not been subverted at all, even though the government spent millions of OUR money giving us one side why we should vote remain, both sides repeatedly told us that we would have to leave the single market and the customs union, the then chancellor told us lies. But the majority of the country still voted leave.
Your just trying to wind me up, you must be
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| Quote: ninearches "What puzzles me about this backstop lark is why a border between north & south should be needed anyway for inter Irish trade . I am sure the island of Ireland could work out a system to satisfy both the UK & Irish governments. The only need for a deviation to this would be for traffic crossing the Irish sea to mainland Britain....NI freight & passengers from ports & airports in the north & Eire freight & passengers from southern ports & airports. Everybody & everything needs a ticket or delivery note & computerisation could soon detect any one trying to cross or bring good through the wrong port.'"
Hadn't you realised that although its only one island, there are 2 seperate countries, ruled by seperate governments and the only reason that free trade currently exists (without a hard border) is because both of these countries are part of the EU.
There are those in the North that believe that Ireland should be one nation but, you will have to encourage more people to sign up for Sinn Fein if you want to see a united Ireland and whilst it remains as 2 nations and assuming there isn't a free trade agreement post Brexit, there will need to be some way of cross border checks.
Northern Ireland is part of the UK, Eire isn't.
It's not so long ago that there was a hard border between the 2 sides with armed soldiers at the check points.
On of the major plus points of EU membership + the good Friday agreement is that these were no longer required.
Ireland is the only place where the UK has a physical border with the EU and things could get pretty messy post Brexit.
It will instantly become a smugglers paradise with people on both sides trying to avoid certain taxes and levies with trade between the UK and Europe and should there be a return to a hard border, we may well see the return of sectarian violence, which has never fully disappeared.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Hadn't you realised that although its only one island, there are 2 seperate countries, ruled by seperate governments and the only reason that free trade currently exists (without a hard border) is because both of these countries are part of the EU.
There are those in the North that believe that Ireland should be one nation but, you will have to encourage more people to sign up for Sinn Fein if you want to see a united Ireland and whilst it remains as 2 nations and assuming there isn't a free trade agreement post Brexit, there will need to be some way of cross border checks.
Northern Ireland is part of the UK, Eire isn't.
It's not so long ago that there was a hard border between the 2 sides with armed soldiers at the check points.
On of the major plus points of EU membership + the good Friday agreement is that these were no longer required.
Ireland is the only place where the UK has a physical border with the EU and things could get pretty messy post Brexit.
It will instantly become a smugglers paradise with people on both sides trying to avoid certain taxes and levies with trade between the UK and Europe and should there be a return to a hard border, we may well see the return of sectarian violence, which has never fully disappeared.'"
It is a very complex issue I agree and something I never gave a thought to, but I am sure there is a solution that would suit all sides. I was watching a tv prog last night and there is already salmon poaching and illegal deer hunting on what they called the border lands I dread to think what will happen if nothing is sorted
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| Quote: bren2k "Except it isn't - the Leave campaign has slowly but surely been revealed as criminal - with Aaron Banks and Nigel Farage now 'persons of interest' in an FBI investigation; our democracy has been subverted, but very few people seem to care, because they think they 'won' something.'"
Why would the FBI be interested?
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| Quote: POSTL "even though the government spent millions of OUR money giving us one side why we should vote remain'"
The Referendum Act of 2015 required that the government report to the people of this country on 3 things:
1. The outcome of the negotiations with the EU.
2. The opinion of the Government on the outcome of the negotiations.
3. Information about membership of the European Union (obligations and rights etc).
Which they did via the leaflet. Part 2 clearly states that they were required to inform the UK of the government position, NOT to set out both arguments for and against.
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| Quote: Pumpetypump "The Referendum Act of 2015 required that the government report to the people of this country on 3 things
Dont pi$$ on his chips by offering facts, let him stay in dreamland
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Dont pi$$ on his chips by offering facts, let him stay in dreamland'"
I tell you something that aggravates me greatly, is the revisionist mantra that "both sides told lies". To me this is a bit like saying both a rubber dinghy and an oil tanker are boats. Yes I suppose they are, but the order of magnitude renders the comparison absurd.
Even on Sunday we had a government Minister Esther Mcvey tweeting that we'd have to join the EURO after 2020 if we stayed. A flat out lie that then spreads around the leave demographic as if it were fact.
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| Quote: Pumpetypump "Even on Sunday we had a government Minister Esther Mcvey tweeting that we'd have to join the EURO after 2020 if we stayed. A flat out lie that then spreads around the leave demographic as if it were fact.'"
Which she doubled down on today after a massive backlash, saying, in essence, "that tweet I did may have been a lie, but I'm sure we can all agree that it would be awful if it were true; true or false?!"
These people are sociopaths - the extent of the dishonesty, disinformation, rhetoric and outright lies is astonishing; and each time that the angry gammon masses lap it up, they seem further emboldened.
I don't recall our politics being in such a parlous state in my lifetime - and it could get worse tomorrow if Mrs May decides to pull the now meaningless meaningful vote.
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| Quote: Pumpetypump "The Referendum Act of 2015 required that the government report to the people of this country on 3 things
Ok, I don't know if what you are saying is correct but I have absolutely no reason to doubt it, however, do you honestly believe that in this current climate that spending nearly £10 million of tax payers money on sending a leaflet to each and every person was money well spent and that it couldn't have been done in a more cost effective way.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Dont pi$$ on his chips by offering facts, let him stay in dreamland'"
Which is ?
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Quote: POSTL "Ok, I don't know if what you are saying is correct but I have absolutely no reason to doubt it, however, do you honestly believe that in this current climate that spending nearly £10 million of tax payers money on sending a leaflet to each and every person was money well spent and that it couldn't have been done in a more cost effective way.'"
£4.2 BILLION quid allocated to prepare for Brexit so far.
Source - https://fullfact.org/europe/whats-cost- ... ng-brexit/
That could've been spent on long suffering public services.
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Quote: POSTL "Ok, I don't know if what you are saying is correct but I have absolutely no reason to doubt it, however, do you honestly believe that in this current climate that spending nearly £10 million of tax payers money on sending a leaflet to each and every person was money well spent and that it couldn't have been done in a more cost effective way.'"
£4.2 BILLION quid allocated to prepare for Brexit so far.
Source - https://fullfact.org/europe/whats-cost- ... ng-brexit/
That could've been spent on long suffering public services.
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| Quote: bren2k "Except it isn't - the Leave campaign has slowly but surely been revealed as criminal - with Aaron Banks and Nigel Farage now 'persons of interest' in an FBI investigation; our democracy has been subverted, but very few people seem to care, because they think they 'won' something.'"
I ask again, why would the FBI be interested?
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| Quote: Bullseye "£4.2 BILLION quid allocated to prepare for Brexit so far.
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Agreed, So we need to get on with it then leave the EU and stop spending stupid money.
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "I ask again, why would the FBI be interested?'"
I mistyped - it's actually the rlthe British equivalent,rl the NCA.
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