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Quote: bren2k "We currently have the lowest number of public holidays in the G20 - lower even than Japan, and they don't seem to have a problem with productivity. And a Government report has estimated that a BH injects around a billion quid into the economy - so not as potty as you would like to think.

I think you may be falling for the outrage that the Daily Mail want you to feel.'"


How does it inject a Billion quid - do you mean that money spent during the bank is money but would be spent anyway or money that would be saved?

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Quote: bren2k "Maybe what you detect is hope; I'm not a dyed in the wool Corbynite, but I'm old enough to remember the Thatcher years, so a Labour government under his leadership is infinitely more preferable than 5 more years of Mrs May ruthlessly savaging all but the privileged few.'"


I'm old enough to remember the Callaghan years and believe me by comparison the Thatcher years were a breeze.

Who exactly is May savaging - is she savaging you if so how?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Who exactly is May savaging - is she savaging you if so how?'"


The old, the sick, the disabled, the young, teachers, NHS staff - just for starters.

She's not savaging me specifically right now, but I give enough of a $hit about the country I live in to see past my own circumstances and recognise that we can be judged by how we treat the least fortunate in society - and right now, that's a national disgrace.

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Quote: bren2k "The old, the sick, the disabled, the young, teachers, NHS staff - just for starters.

She's not savaging me specifically right now, but I give enough of a $hit about the country I live in to see past my own circumstances and recognise that we can be judged by how we treat the least fortunate in society - and right now, that's a national disgrace.'"



You can throw in the low paid into that also.

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Quote: "You can throw in the low paid into that also.'"


Has the tax threshold not just been raised?

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Quote: Exiled down south "Has the tax threshold not just been raised?'"


How does increasing tax thresholds only affect the low paid?

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Well done Corbyn for offering an amnesty for EU citizens who are already over here.
Mind you, he'll have to get elected to bring it in !

It's the first sensible comment from either party since the election was announced.

I know it's not straigt forward but, it's definitely a step in the right direction.

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Quote: bren2k "The old, the sick, the disabled, the young, teachers, NHS staff - just for starters.

She's not savaging me specifically right now, but I give enough of a $hit about the country I live in to see past my own circumstances and recognise that we can be judged by how we treat the least fortunate in society - and right now, that's a national disgrace.'"


The old have had their pensions protected for years so not sure how the vast majority of older people are being savaged. The young have ample opportunity to get on it has been a long time since there was this level of employment, the sick so you are getting worse treatment from the NHS when you are sick - really? You might have to wait in A&E if you really shouldn't be there but that's your own fault. Teachers never been as well paid on average they earn c£37k a year how is that savagery? I bet the surgeons and the top administrators in the NHS are thinking I'm being savaged. Perhaps if the NHS weren't so wasteful there would be more money to pay people?

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It doesn't only affect the low paid but proportionally to a high earner they are better off.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The old have had their pensions protected for years so not sure how the vast majority of older people are being savaged. The young have ample opportunity to get on it has been a long time since there was this level of employment, the sick so you are getting worse treatment from the NHS when you are sick - really? You might have to wait in A&E if you really shouldn't be there but that's your own fault. Teachers never been as well paid on average they earn c£37k a year how is that savagery? I bet the surgeons and the top administrators in the NHS are thinking I'm being savaged. Perhaps if the NHS weren't so wasteful there would be more money to pay people?'"


You ought to be a Tory spin doctor.

Pensioners ARE the only group of people to have increased living standards since the Tories returned to power.
However, the young may have some great opportunities, as do the people buying a Euromillions ticket but, it's about the chances of them succeeding in the current economic climate.
The economy, having been stoked by house price inflation for too many years under successive Labour governments, is now perilously held up under staggering levels of personal debt.
Students are carrying £50,000 + debts into their adult lives and we have more zero hours contracts than ever before.
Teacher, along with other local government employees may be on reasonable salaries but, these have been almost frozen over the last six years and have increased at less than inflation nad average pay is 25/25K, not the 37K that you have fabricated.
The NHS is utterly superb but, even the governments own figures show that it is performing less well than it was 6 years ago and the argument about it being wasteful could have been levelled at it at any time in its history -savings can be made in ANY large organisation.
There are some extremely well paid medics and the "scam" that top consultants are able to work (employed by the NHS but, able to carry out private work on top of their "normal" job seems fundamentally wrong, akin to a certain Mr Osborne - full time MP but with a number of other jobs at the same time).

As I said, your "spin" is very positive but not entirely accurate.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Pensioners ARE the only group of people to have increased living standards since the Tories returned to power.'"


Until they become infirm and need hospital and social care; at which point, they are at the mercy of two fundamentally important systems, both of which have been utterly ravaged by the Tories, to the verge of collapse.

Your wealthy pensioners won't have the same experience of course, because if you can privately fund, you won't be stuck with 15 minute home care visits once a day, or a grotty care home that can barely function because the LA can't pay the fees.

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Quote: bren2k "Until they become infirm and need hospital and social care; at which point, they are at the mercy of two fundamentally important systems, both of which have been utterly ravaged by the Tories, to the verge of collapse.

Your wealthy pensioners won't have the same experience of course, because if you can privately fund, you won't be stuck with 15 minute home care visits once a day, or a grotty care home that can barely function because the LA can't pay the fees.'"

Maybe its time we stopped keeping people alive just bacause we can?

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Bren are there any positives you can see in this country? You really do dwell on the negative

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Quote: PCollinson1990 "Maybe its time we stopped keeping people alive just bacause we can?'"


Jeez, you'll be advocating euthanasia for anyone over 60 next icon_surprised.gifops:

Do you have a view on those unlucky enough to suffer with dementia or a terminal illness ????

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Quote: wire-quin "Bren are there any positives you can see in this country? You really do dwell on the negative'"


Politically? At present, it's hard to see any - the Tories are making a grab for power that will let them continue to savage the less fortunate and the services they rely on with even fewer checks and balances; Brexit is a timebomb for the economy; the country is more divided than ever before. And it's raining.

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