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| Quote: Sal Paradise "My understanding would be
I remember seeing someone early on in the whole Brexit thing, describe our position as being in the EU but wanting to behave as if we weren't, then being a non-member but wanting to behave as if we were. Your list is pretty much that.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "My understanding would be
I think that your hopes fall down on "Free trade with no tariffs", primarily because we (the UK) would also like to negotiate independent trade deals with the rest of the world.
Interestingly, why would any nation, currently trading with the EU, wish to rock the boat by offering the UK a better deal - we necessarily have to be offered something not quite as good as the EU are achieving.
The elephant in the room would still remain "the Irish border", something utterly neglected by EVERYONE during the referendum, although Boris does now seem happy to chuck N. Ireland under the Brexit Bus.
The real reason behind Brexit could be a significant tightening of the laws surrounding how businesses legally hide their cash to avoid corporation tax etc.
There was a really interesting piece on this on the BBC website earlier today but, it seems to have been removed / disappeared.
If I can find it I will put up a link.
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| Well having watched all events to date, NONE of the parties & MPs give a S**t about your vote out comes unless it matches their individual position of thought, they ALL are dis-in-genuine ! Even to the point of not recognizing your voting outcome what ever that outcome is !!!!!!
The one thing I have noticed is there is one person so knowledgeable and she is not selected or running. !!
She has a reputation of knowing all !!!
Who is it you may ask ??? Laura kuessnberg, NONE of the main parties like her & have complained about her !!!
She is however venomous in tone & always rounds off she knows better !!
Onwards & Upwards !!
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| Quote: TrinTrin "Well having watched all events to date, NONE of the parties & MPs give a S**t about your vote out comes unless it matches their individual position of thought, they ALL are dis-in-genuine !'" It would be pretty spectacular if you found an MP who agreed with your perspective on every matter. We elect people to represent us, but if you're looking for outrage by reviewing each vote then yes you'll find plenty you don't agree with. That's how representative democracy works.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "My understanding would be
That’s pretty much as I saw it, and as Jonny Average I presume most other voters saw it the same at the time
Struggling to see how we get to that position though, for all BoJo’s pomp his deal is weaker than that isn’t it
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| Quote: ColD "That’s pretty much as I saw it, and as Jonny Average I presume most other voters saw it the same at the time
Struggling to see how we get to that position though, for all BoJo’s pomp his deal is weaker than that isn’t it
And Sal's dream of what Brexit should look like is just not possible, just like my hopes of scooping the Euromillions
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "And Sal's dream of what Brexit should look like is just not possible, just like my hopes of scooping the Euromillions
Someone wins the Euromillions every week
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Someone wins the Euromillions every week
Yeah but, they're not great odds for securing the future of a whole nation.
I'm all for aiming high but, fantasy, is, well, fantasy.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Yeah but, they're not great odds for securing the future of a whole nation.
I'm all for aiming high but, fantasy, is, well, fantasy.'"
I agree and why would the EU give us all that - that is why no deal was the only realistic means of exit and then negotiate the best trade deal you could.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I agree and why would the EU give us all that - that is why no deal was the only realistic means of exit and then negotiate the best trade deal you could.'"
At the risk of going round in circles, how deep do you want the Brexit recession to be ?
We are hovering just above the line 0.3% growth in the last quarter, with negative growth in the previous one and with many businesses "pulling in their horns" right now and protecting their cash, the current quarter will do well to exceed the same period as last year.
Add to that the effects of even the smoothest Brexit and we go into negative growth and if there are some bumps in the road, which "no deal" will guarantee, we're back in the red and with both of the major parties threatening to spend big after the election, we could be heading for some "interesting" times.
If you're bored or interested, take a look at the real reason for Brexit
/ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/company-tax/anti-tax-avoidance-package/anti-tax-avoidance-directive_en
Perhaps this is why the power brokers behind Brexit are so keen to get out and quick ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "At the risk of going round in circles, how deep do you want the Brexit recession to be ?
We are hovering just above the line 0.3% growth in the last quarter, with negative growth in the previous one and with many businesses "pulling in their horns" right now and protecting their cash, the current quarter will do well to exceed the same period as last year.
Add to that the effects of even the smoothest Brexit and we go into negative growth and if there are some bumps in the road, which "no deal" will guarantee, we're back in the red and with both of the major parties threatening to spend big after the election, we could be heading for some "interesting" times.
If you're bored or interested, take a look at the real reason for Brexit
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Perhaps this is why the power brokers behind Brexit are so keen to get out and quick ?'"
Nobody actually know how bad this will be as it has never happened before and when have you seen an economic forecast that is spot on - I have yet to see one.
And being in the EU has hardly done Spain, Italy, Greece etc any favours.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "
And being in the EU has hardly done Spain, Italy, Greece etc any favours.'"
Yet again you repeat this rubbish. They are all countries which have seen huge economic growth in international trade and in living standards and prosperity since joining the EU.
It's like climate change deniers conflating climate with the weather.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Yet again you repeat this rubbish. They are all countries which have seen huge economic growth in international trade and in living standards and prosperity since joining the EU.
It's like climate change deniers conflating climate with the weather.'"
You really are delusional - in Spain youth unemployment is 33% - Italy and Greece are virtually bankrupt and both have had very tough economic guidelines set on them by the EU - to a point where it has brought governments down in both countries.
Being a member of the EU isn't a one stop shop to prosperity - who is to say that these countries could have grown just as much outside of the EU?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "You really are delusional - in Spain youth unemployment is 33% - Italy and Greece are virtually bankrupt and both have had very tough economic guidelines set on them by the EU - to a point where it has brought governments down in both countries.
Being a member of the EU isn't a one stop shop to prosperity - who is to say that these countries could have grown just as much outside of the EU?'"
Italy (primarily due to corruption) and Greece have been economic "basket cases" for as far back as I can remember and without the strict rules set out by the EU they would have fallen further and further down the pile.
Left to their own devices they would have kept on devaluing their currency and possibly ended up with an ecconomy similar to Zimbabwe.
For all of the constraints put on them through their EU membership, I would suggest thet, despite their high youth unemployment, they would be in a far worse state than they currently are.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Italy (primarily due to corruption) and Greece have been economic "basket cases" for as far back as I can remember and without the strict rules set out by the EU they would have fallen further and further down the pile.
Left to their own devices they would have kept on devaluing their currency and possibly ended up with an ecconomy similar to Zimbabwe.
For all of the constraints put on them through their EU membership, I would suggest thet, despite their high youth unemployment, they would be in a far worse state than they currently are.'"
What makes you say that? It is very unlikely any country in Europe will end up like Zimbabwe - in or out of the EU. Africa has some challenges that are particular to that continent.
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