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| But rest assured. According to the FSA there is "no evidence" of a risk to health. Well, no. They could add "... because we have no evidence - apart from the fact it's horses - as to how the meat was sourced, how the animals were kept, what diseases they had, how they died or how or where they were slaughtered, how the meat was transported or stored or for how long, and we know nothing about the standards of hygiene compliance or safety of any organisation involved in the supply chain of the horsemeat from start to finish".
I have no evidence either. But i would bet a lot of money that what ended up in Findus lasagne was not 100% compliant with all European and UK food safety legislation.
What they should have said is there is no evidence of a SPECIFIC risk. Clearly there must be a very huge risk, though, given all the unknowns. Unless you can say, "we now know all about the meat, and so can say it poses no risk to health" the statement is just horse.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "horse.'"
don't go giving Lidl ideas!
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "But rest assured. According to the FSA there is "no evidence" of a risk to health. Well, no. They could add "... because we have no evidence - apart from the fact it's horses - as to how the meat was sourced, how the animals were kept, what diseases they had, how they died or how or where they were slaughtered, how the meat was transported or stored or for how long, and we know nothing about the standards of hygiene compliance or safety of any organisation involved in the supply chain of the horsemeat from start to finish".
I have no evidence either. But i would bet a lot of money that what ended up in Findus lasagne was not 100% compliant with all European and UK food safety legislation.
What they should have said is there is no evidence of a SPECIFIC risk. Clearly there must be a very huge risk, though, given all the unknowns. Unless you can say, "we now know all about the meat, and so can say it poses no risk to health" the statement is just horse.'"
Quite so.
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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Whether one is happy to eat horse meat or not, does this case not show that Tesco / Iceland etc. are unable to prove the provenance of what they sell ?
In this instance it was horse meat but the same lack of supply chain control could allow much more serious contamination to occur.'"
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| Quote: Standee "I laughed yesterday when I saw the local butchers latest sign "our burgers won't give you the trotts"'"
According to the Q Guild of Butcher on Twitter this morning: "@q_guildbutchers: We have seen a 10% rise in trade and 30% rise in burger sales. Consumers trust the Q Guild, we can guarantee 100% beef".
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| Quote: Saddened! "The fact this is now so widespread is a bit of a concern. If the meat suppliers that big companies such as Findus and Tesco use are needing to put horse meat into the meat, you have to wonder what else they are doing. As someone else on here already mentioned, good quality horse meat is very expensive, certainly more expensive than the beef products they were supposed to be supplying. So one has to assume these horses are not from official sources or a less than top quality. So if they are doing that, what else are they doing?'"
One of the issues is whether – because as you rightly say, this cannot be good-quality horse meat – is whether any of the veterinary drug phenylbutazone ('bute') has entered the food chain. If an animal has been dosed with that, it's banned from entering the human food chain.
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| Quote: Mintball "According to the Q Guild of Butcher on Twitter this morning
there'll still be a small number on the fiddle, unfortunately it's human nature.
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| Let's not beat about the bush here, this horsemeat WAS NOT fit for human connsumption for the very simple reason that a person able to sell horsemeat for human consumption would do so, instead of selling it at bargain bucket rates as filler for the cheapest of cheap beef meals.
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| Quote: Standee "there'll still be a small number on the fiddle, unfortunately it's human nature.'"
Aye.
rlSeems that Findus might have known about a problem for six monthsrl.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Let's not beat about the bush here, this horsemeat WAS NOT fit for human connsumption for the very simple reason that a person able to sell horsemeat for human consumption would do so, instead of selling it at bargain bucket rates as filler for the cheapest of cheap beef meals.'"
Exactly.
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| Quote: Mintball "Aye.
rlSeems that Findus might have known about a problem for six monthsrl.'"
But surely, a la FSA, they could say they "had no evidence" of any risk to health, on the same basis that they had no evidence of anything bar the fact their products may not be what it said on the horsebox?
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "But surely, a la FSA, they could say they "had no evidence" of any risk to health, on the same basis that they had no evidence of anything bar the fact their products may not be what it said on the horsebox?'"
My understanding is that the possible issue of risk to health is only really just emerging. What remains, even if there was no risk to health, is the issue of miss-selling etc.
Impossible to know for certain at present, but it looks possible that Findus (and quite possibly other companies being caught up in it) were not overly surprised at the situation/hoped that if nobody said anything it would simply 'go away'.
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| Quote: Standee "there'll still be a small number on the fiddle, unfortunately it's human nature.'"
Quite possibly but, if you take our two local butcher's shops for example, they depend on local trust ... if they betray that, they're bust.
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| Reading about earlier cases, the culprit was thought to be the "filler" supplier.
But, with the high percentages we are seeing (in the Findus case the meat was 100% horsemeat), this is NOT limited to one rogue supplier of "filler".
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| Quote: Mintball "My understanding is that the possible issue of risk to health is only really just emerging. What remains, even if there was no risk to health, ...'"
I can guarantee there was a risk to health. So could the FSA, if it told the truth. It is being totally disingenuous. It says thisThe FSA said it was "highly likely" criminal activity was to blame for the contamination.
Chief executive Catherine Brown told the BBC
Then they sayThe FSA said there was no evidence of a health risk from the contaminated lasagne, but has also ordered Findus to test the products for the veterinary drug phenylbutazone, or "bute".
"Animals treated with phenylbutazone are not allowed to enter the food chain as [the drug] may pose a risk to human health," it said.'"
In other words, "there is no evidence of a risk to public health, but (for just one thing) we have no clue whether the fake meat contains bute, which if it did is absolutely a risk to public health".
I conclude that the ONLY way there was definitively no risk to health is if you assume that all criminals involved in selling tons of fake beef nevertheless chose to conveniently comply with all meat rearing, slaughtering, production, storage and transportation legislation and regulations. Am I the only one who finds that suggestion risible?
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "My understanding is that the possible issue of risk to health is only really just emerging. What remains, even if there was no risk to health, ...'"
I can guarantee there was a risk to health. So could the FSA, if it told the truth. It is being totally disingenuous. It says thisThe FSA said it was "highly likely" criminal activity was to blame for the contamination.
Chief executive Catherine Brown told the BBC
I conclude that the ONLY way there was definitively no risk to health is if you assume that all criminals involved in selling tons of fake beef nevertheless chose to conveniently comply with all meat rearing, slaughtering, production, storage and transportation legislation and regulations. Am I the only one who finds that suggestion risible?'"
Maybe they're criminals with a conscience who love their mums and stuff. Like the Krays, but a bit less murdery.
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