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But rest assured. According to the FSA there is "no evidence" of a risk to health. Well, no. They could add "... because we have no evidence - apart from the fact it's horses - as to how the meat was sourced, how the animals were kept, what diseases they had, how they died or how or where they were slaughtered, how the meat was transported or stored or for how long, and we know nothing about the standards of hygiene compliance or safety of any organisation involved in the supply chain of the horsemeat from start to finish".

I have no evidence either. But i would bet a lot of money that what ended up in Findus lasagne was not 100% compliant with all European and UK food safety legislation.

What they should have said is there is no evidence of a SPECIFIC risk. Clearly there must be a very huge risk, though, given all the unknowns. Unless you can say, "we now know all about the meat, and so can say it poses no risk to health" the statement is just horse.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "horse.'"


don't go giving Lidl ideas!

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "But rest assured. According to the FSA there is "no evidence" of a risk to health. Well, no. They could add "... because we have no evidence - apart from the fact it's horses - as to how the meat was sourced, how the animals were kept, what diseases they had, how they died or how or where they were slaughtered, how the meat was transported or stored or for how long, and we know nothing about the standards of hygiene compliance or safety of any organisation involved in the supply chain of the horsemeat from start to finish".

I have no evidence either. But i would bet a lot of money that what ended up in Findus lasagne was not 100% compliant with all European and UK food safety legislation.

What they should have said is there is no evidence of a SPECIFIC risk. Clearly there must be a very huge risk, though, given all the unknowns. Unless you can say, "we now know all about the meat, and so can say it poses no risk to health" the statement is just horse.'"


Quite so.

Plus ...

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Whether one is happy to eat horse meat or not, does this case not show that Tesco / Iceland etc. are unable to prove the provenance of what they sell ?
In this instance it was horse meat but the same lack of supply chain control could allow much more serious contamination to occur.'"


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Quote: Standee "I laughed yesterday when I saw the local butchers latest sign "our burgers won't give you the trotts"'"


According to the Q Guild of Butcher on Twitter this morning: "@q_guildbutchers: We have seen a 10% rise in trade and 30% rise in burger sales. Consumers trust the Q Guild, we can guarantee 100% beef".

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Quote: Saddened! "The fact this is now so widespread is a bit of a concern. If the meat suppliers that big companies such as Findus and Tesco use are needing to put horse meat into the meat, you have to wonder what else they are doing. As someone else on here already mentioned, good quality horse meat is very expensive, certainly more expensive than the beef products they were supposed to be supplying. So one has to assume these horses are not from official sources or a less than top quality. So if they are doing that, what else are they doing?'"


One of the issues is whether – because as you rightly say, this cannot be good-quality horse meat – is whether any of the veterinary drug phenylbutazone ('bute') has entered the food chain. If an animal has been dosed with that, it's banned from entering the human food chain.

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Quote: Mintball "According to the Q Guild of Butcher on Twitter this morning

there'll still be a small number on the fiddle, unfortunately it's human nature.

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Let's not beat about the bush here, this horsemeat WAS NOT fit for human connsumption for the very simple reason that a person able to sell horsemeat for human consumption would do so, instead of selling it at bargain bucket rates as filler for the cheapest of cheap beef meals.

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Quote: Standee "there'll still be a small number on the fiddle, unfortunately it's human nature.'"


Aye.

rlSeems that Findus might have known about a problem for six monthsrl.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Let's not beat about the bush here, this horsemeat WAS NOT fit for human connsumption for the very simple reason that a person able to sell horsemeat for human consumption would do so, instead of selling it at bargain bucket rates as filler for the cheapest of cheap beef meals.'"


Exactly.

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Quote: Mintball "Aye.

rlSeems that Findus might have known about a problem for six monthsrl.'"


But surely, a la FSA, they could say they "had no evidence" of any risk to health, on the same basis that they had no evidence of anything bar the fact their products may not be what it said on the horsebox?

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "But surely, a la FSA, they could say they "had no evidence" of any risk to health, on the same basis that they had no evidence of anything bar the fact their products may not be what it said on the horsebox?'"


My understanding is that the possible issue of risk to health is only really just emerging. What remains, even if there was no risk to health, is the issue of miss-selling etc.

Impossible to know for certain at present, but it looks possible that Findus (and quite possibly other companies being caught up in it) were not overly surprised at the situation/hoped that if nobody said anything it would simply 'go away'.

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Quote: Standee "there'll still be a small number on the fiddle, unfortunately it's human nature.'"

Quite possibly but, if you take our two local butcher's shops for example, they depend on local trust ... if they betray that, they're bust.

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Reading about earlier cases, the culprit was thought to be the "filler" supplier.
But, with the high percentages we are seeing (in the Findus case the meat was 100% horsemeat), this is NOT limited to one rogue supplier of "filler".

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Quote: Mintball "My understanding is that the possible issue of risk to health is only really just emerging. What remains, even if there was no risk to health, ...'"



I can guarantee there was a risk to health. So could the FSA, if it told the truth. It is being totally disingenuous. It says thisThe FSA said it was "highly likely" criminal activity was to blame for the contamination.

Chief executive Catherine Brown told the BBC

Then they sayThe FSA said there was no evidence of a health risk from the contaminated lasagne, but has also ordered Findus to test the products for the veterinary drug phenylbutazone, or "bute".

"Animals treated with phenylbutazone are not allowed to enter the food chain as [the drug] may pose a risk to human health," it said.'"

In other words, "there is no evidence of a risk to public health, but (for just one thing) we have no clue whether the fake meat contains bute, which if it did is absolutely a risk to public health".

I conclude that the ONLY way there was definitively no risk to health is if you assume that all criminals involved in selling tons of fake beef nevertheless chose to conveniently comply with all meat rearing, slaughtering, production, storage and transportation legislation and regulations. Am I the only one who finds that suggestion risible?

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "My understanding is that the possible issue of risk to health is only really just emerging. What remains, even if there was no risk to health, ...'"



I can guarantee there was a risk to health. So could the FSA, if it told the truth. It is being totally disingenuous. It says thisThe FSA said it was "highly likely" criminal activity was to blame for the contamination.

Chief executive Catherine Brown told the BBC

I conclude that the ONLY way there was definitively no risk to health is if you assume that all criminals involved in selling tons of fake beef nevertheless chose to conveniently comply with all meat rearing, slaughtering, production, storage and transportation legislation and regulations. Am I the only one who finds that suggestion risible?'"


Maybe they're criminals with a conscience who love their mums and stuff. Like the Krays, but a bit less murdery.

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       Championship 2025-R9
15:00
Batley
v
Barrow
15:00
Bradford
v
Sheffield
15:00
Doncaster
v
Oldham
15:00
Hunslet
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Sat 10th May 2025
       Championship 2025-R10
17:00
Oldham
v
Toulouse
 Sun 11th May 2025
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
       Championship 2025-R10
15:00
Batley
v
Bradford
15:00
Halifax
v
Doncaster
15:00
LondonB
v
Sheffield
15:00
Widnes
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Hunslet
       League One 2025-R9
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
       Championship 2025-R11
19:30
Sheffield
v
Hunslet
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R11
18:00
Toulouse
v
Barrow
 Sun 25th May 2025
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R11
15:00
Bradford
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Batley
15:00
Oldham
v
Halifax
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R12
17:00
LondonB
v
Widnes
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R12
18:00
Batley
v
Toulouse
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       Championship 2025-R12
15:00
Barrow
v
Featherstone
15:00
Doncaster
v
Bradford
15:00
Hunslet
v
Oldham
15:00
York
v
Sheffield
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       Championship 2025-R13
15:00
Barrow
v
Sheffield
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Bradford
v
York
15:00
Featherstone
v
Hunslet
15:00
Widnes
v
Halifax
15:00
Toulouse
v
LondonB
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
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20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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