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| Quote: Kosh "Odd that it's taken three months to come up with a short CCTV clip that proves nothing either way, don't you think? Even odder that this is apparently the first time Mitchell has seen any CCTV at all. Convenient that it has no sound and fails to cover a crucial part of the confrontation.
I call shenanigans.'"
Strange that only one clip has a clock running too
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| Quote: The Video Ref "From what I am hearing on the radio / reading in the press, the whole thing was supposed to have been witnessed by a diplomatic protection officer who gave a statement.
It has now transpired that this person was not even at the scene and their statement was a pile of lies. They have been arrested for perverting the course of justice, or something to that effect.
So, if a copper who wasn't even there can claim he was, I don't think it would be too difficult for one who was there to attribute something to Mitchell that was never even said.
Either way, the police's version of events has lost all credibility.'"
No the policeman arrested has not been arrested for perverting the course of justice. He was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office. A very different offence.
The officer arrested made no official complaint to police about the incident and so has not fabricated evidence. He allegedly lied to an MP about the fact he heard was what reported in the police log. And is rumoured to have released the log to the press.
Why do you think an officers conduct, who wasn't present and has had no input into the police handling of the incident or the recording of the log, has any bearing whatsoever on the contents of the police log.
The Tories must be desperate to get Mitchell back, they're really going for this but it's going to backfire because nothing so far has contradicted the police log.
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The exact offence is irrelevant. The fact is a serving police officer has been arrested. We are being told his claim to have witnessed the incident is being investigated as a lie:
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/1 ... ess-claims
Clearly this casts doubt over the credibility of the whole 'case' against Mitchell.
Anyway, keep your lid on. I remember you working yourself into a complete lather over the whole Osborne / train ticket affair. Which turned out to be a complete non-story.
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The exact offence is irrelevant. The fact is a serving police officer has been arrested. We are being told his claim to have witnessed the incident is being investigated as a lie:
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/1 ... ess-claims
Clearly this casts doubt over the credibility of the whole 'case' against Mitchell.
Anyway, keep your lid on. I remember you working yourself into a complete lather over the whole Osborne / train ticket affair. Which turned out to be a complete non-story.
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| Quote: The Video Ref "The exact offence is irrelevant. The fact is a serving police officer has been arrested. We are being told his claim to have witnessed the incident is being investigated as a lie:
Once again, how does the arrest of an officer who wasn't present and didn't contribute in any way to the police log affect the credibility or validity of the police log?
Which parts of the log are now in doubt and why?
For some reason none of the Tory apologists can answer this question.
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| Quote: Him "Once again, how does the arrest of an officer who wasn't present and didn't contribute in any way to the police log affect the credibility or validity of the police log?
Which parts of the log are now in doubt and why?
For some reason none of the Tory apologists can answer this question.'"
You are quite right. They have him bang to rights.
It's quite normal pretend to be a witness just to make sure. Normal police procedures I suppose.
Well normal if you are a police apologist? I suppose the fabrication of evidence isn't an issue anymore.
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| Quote: Vince Noir "You are quite right. They have him bang to rights.
It's quite normal pretend to be a witness just to make sure. Normal police procedures I suppose.
Well normal if you are a police apologist? I suppose the fabrication of evidence isn't an issue anymore.'"
Is lying to an MP fabrication of evidence?
If the police officer who wasn't there has committed a crime he should be punished.
But I'll ask the question again - which part of the police log has been contradicted by either the police officer being arrested or the CCTV?
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| Police apologist. Bet you think they are innocent of Hillsborough, Orgreave, killing newspaper sellers...
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| Quote: Vince Noir "Police apologist. Bet you think they are innocent of Hillsborough, Orgreave, killing newspaper sellers...'"
You could have just said,
"it doesnt, I was wrong"
its pretty much the same thing as what you have put.
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| So you don't think it's dodgy? You don't think it's strange that a police officer pretends to of witnessed the events? You don't think it's shakey in the slightest? All above board?
The desire to bag a tory is amazing.
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| As for the CCTV showing several bystanders... it shows 1....
So theres one flaw in the log.
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| Quote: Vince Noir "So you don't think it's dodgy? You don't think it's strange that a police officer pretends to of witnessed the events? You don't think it's shakey in the slightest? All above board?
The desire to bag a tory is amazing.'"
No, I don’t think it is ‘shady’ at all.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the arrested officer had leaked it to MP and had ‘borne false witness’ to the MP. I don’t think that has anything to do with the actual incident and im not sure why people would wish to conflate them
Original incident was witnessed and reported by two police officers, proper procedure was followed and none of the evidence they gave is either proven or disproven by what has come out since.
A different officer, then told an MP he had witnessed what had happened when it seems he didn’t, and it made its way into the press.
I can’t see why you think the separate actions of the 3rd officer, casts doubts on the reports of the other two, considering the 3rd officer had nothing to do with the original logs of the original 2 officers. I.e no part of police logs were reliant on what the 3rd officer claimed to witness.
I think its pretty clear, that along with the MP, the 3rd officer may have been looking to leak this information and get it to public attention, maybe with the expressed intention of damaging Mr Mitchells political career, but nobody has shown anything, or even come up with a logical theory, to show that this was some kind of conspiracy by all 3 officers to misrepresent what happened.
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| Quote: Vince Noir "Police apologist. Bet you think they are innocent of Hillsborough, Orgreave, killing newspaper sellers...'"
Which part of the police log is contradicted by the arrest or the CCTV?
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| Quote: Vince Noir "As for the CCTV showing several bystanders... it shows 1....
So theres one flaw in the log.'"
No it doesn't. Actually watch it instead of reading and repeating the views of someone else. It shows several people outside the main gate.
The desire to make up non-existent contradictions in the log is amazing.
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| Quote: Him "No it doesn't. Actually watch it instead of reading and repeating the views of someone else. It shows several people outside the main gate.'"
Not giving any view but just watched it on the news and the only people I could see were on the Downing Street side of the gate. One guy walks past outside without stopping.
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| This whole event is fcking pathetic, and indicative of why the people of this country find politicians and this culture if blame, false apologies and unnecessary resignations at the slightest hint of "outrage" or "offence" even more pathetic.
Ask yourselves this: why, in a month of Sundays, would the police MAKE IT UP? Answer: they wouldn't. They have absolutely NO reason to falsify their report. Of course the police haters can't accept that - it's all some conspiracy to...what exactly? Get a politician fired? Inflate the event so there's as much focus and scrutiny as possible on them? The CCTV footage is ambiguous at best, you don't have 360-degree views and no audio.
As it is, it seems a member of public who heard the apparently-ever-so-fcking-crucial word "plebs" and has surfaced.
Just pathetic.
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